1 Cor 6:19-20 ]Paul does not say that by just believing we have secured our salvation.He is telling them to honor God,this requires perseverance.
Tim 1:12 Speaks of suffering for faith. This requires perseverance.
Wow! Talk about personal interpretations and ignoring the obvious. :) Those take the cake. Just ignore the text and insert what one wants. OK. I have certainly seen this before. In the first Paul asks them if they KNOW, because they SHOULD know. In the second Paul says flat out "I KNOW". But since that doesn't match the theology of men, it must be thrown out.
I give you the scripture itself and you give me the Church's interpretation of it. Assuming you are getting these lists from some website, I do not blame them at all for not putting up the actual scripture to allow the reader to compare. That would be disastrous. :)
Scripture says we can fall away. [Re: Matthew 22:11-14] Jesus says many are called but few are chosen. This man, who was destined to grace, was at God's banquet, but was cast out.
God obviously made an outward calling to all of the Jews, yet we all know that only a few of them were chosen to be saved. Where do you get that this man was destined to grace? It doesn't say that. He may have THOUGHT he was chosen, but that was a false belief, just as many have false faith. There are many who go to church who are not saved, but think they are, just as this man.
[Quoted by STF:] "And this is the will of my Father that sent me: that every one who seeth the Son, and believeth in him, may have life everlasting, and I will raise him up in the last day." -John 6:40
Everyone who sees the Son and believes means the person “continues” to believe. By continuing to believe, the person will persevere and will be raised up. Belief also includes obedience, which is more than an intellectual belief in God.
I agree with everything you say here, but it is not an argument that one can lose His faith. We disagree on whether God makes any promises about this and whether it is guaranteed to happen by God. Once we become children of God, does He just leave us all alone to earn our way the rest of the way in? Reformers say "NO".
Dear Brother,We are judged by our love for one another,our perseverance through trials,willingness to suffer for the good of others,our humility etc.. This requires dying to oneself,something we are not preprogrmmed to do/
These are all deeds (or mindsets that necessarily result in deeds) which can be measured by God. Does the Church give any indication about how God approaches this? I.e., does every person have his own assigned personal scale against which he will be judged, or is there one scale against which all people will be judged and either meet or not meet requirements? Paul rails against this theology, of course. He says instead of this we are under grace and NOT under Law.
Dying to oneself has to be a free decision.
What in your mind constitutes a "free decision"? If God changed a person's heart such that He would want to come to Him, would that violate the "free decision"? If so, then may I assume that you would not want God to change your heart in that way?
No,FK, you give your own interpretations that do not line up with the Saints and early Fathers of the Church who you trusted to give you Bible cannon.
FK-””Once we become children of God, does He just leave us all alone to earn our way the rest of the way in? Reformers say “NO”.””
Catholic's agree that He does not leave us alone,but He leans on our hearts without force to grow deeper in our love for Him
We can “return to the vomit” freely on our own and allow more demons to lead us astray if we are not watchful
God Night,Dear Brother.
I wish you peace of mind!
FK-These are all deeds (or mindsets that necessarily result in deeds) which can be measured by God.
I would expect this response from the devil who would not want man to sacrifice and bear a cross out of love for others!
Say what you want ,Dear Brother,but 1 Cor 19-20 and 1 Tim 12 say nothing of guarantied Salvation by faith alone.
Take a look at what Blessed Saint John Chrysostom says,since you think I inserted my own personal interpretations
“This temple is holier than that; for it glistened not with gold and silver, but with the grace of the Spirit, and in place of the ark and the cherubim, it had Christ, and His Father, and the Paraclete seated within. But now all is changed, and the temple is desolate, and bare of its former beauty and comeliness, unadorned with its divine and unspeakable adornments, destitute of all security and protection; it has neither door nor bolt, and is laid open to all manner of soul-destroying and shameful thoughts; and if the thought of arrogance or fornication, or avarice, or any more accursed than these, wish to enter in there is no one to hinder them; whereas formerly, even as the Heaven is inaccessible to all these, so also was the purity of thy soul.” John Chrysostom, To the Fallen Theodore, Letter 1 (A.D. 378).