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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg
Mark: A seal in Biblical times is a mark or sign. It is not a lock. http://sacred-texts.com/bib/ebd/ebd325.htm says that:

FK: Your passage supports my case. For example: ... "When God is said to have sealed the Redeemer, the meaning is, that he has attested his divine mission (Joh 6:27). Circumcision is a seal, an attestation of the covenant (Rom 4:11). ...

Kosta: Circumcision is a mark. It could just as well be cutting off your nose. It's a pagan custom of marking a tribe.

God Himself instituted circumcision, so if you want to call that pagan that is up to you. :) But the point is in its permanence. You can't undo a circumcision any more than you can unring a bell. Yet, Apostolics claim that they CAN undo the seal of the Holy Spirit, in clear violation of scripture.

5,875 posted on 05/27/2008 3:06:39 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg
God Himself instituted circumcision, so if you want to call that pagan that is up to you. :) But the point is in its permanence. You can't undo a circumcision any more than you can unring a bell

Lots of tribes mutilated their bodies precisely for that reason: it cannot be undone. So, what you are saying is that God wanted man to mutilate himself as a permanent "seal" and yet Paul says circumcision we can do without? (of course he did, because the Gentiles would not have come in numbers; smart move).

Yet, Apostolics claim that they CAN undo the seal of the Holy Spirit, in clear violation of scripture

Where does the scripture say we cannot break the seal? BTW, you are wrong about not being able to undo the circumcision. Circumcision is actually reversable without surgery.

5,877 posted on 05/27/2008 9:14:15 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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