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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg
FK: "That can't be right since we all start out unsaved."

If you are predestined to be saved, you are as good as saved (I believe those are your words), so that your statement above is patently false, that is—if you consider yourself Reformed. If you are saved from before the foundation of the world, then we all don't start unsaved.

Within the context of the conversation I used one of the four different but correct uses of the concept of the word "saved" that the Bible either explicitly or implicitly uses. I listed them recently. I will again if you like.

5,874 posted on 05/27/2008 2:34:07 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg
Within the context of the conversation I used one of the four different but correct uses of the concept of the word "saved" that the Bible either explicitly or implicitly uses. I listed them recently. I will again if you like

And I can (again) give you a list of all things the Bible says that save us. The point is that those who are predestined to be saved are not born unsaved. Therefore we are not all born "unsaved." Being saved, no matter what cherry-picked meaning you wish to attach to the word, means just that, and is "as good as" having been saved.

If you are predestined to be saved you will be saved (acc. to Reformed theology) and you have been saved before you even existed, so at your birth you were never lost.

5,878 posted on 05/27/2008 9:21:33 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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