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To: kosta50; wmfights; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; Uncle Chip; OLD REGGIE; HarleyD; ..
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." -- Matthew 18:20

Random verse generator again. That verse says nothing about the authority. You are quoting out of context.That verse has been quoted and re-quoted ad nauseum. What does it mean?

"Authority?"

I wonder if the RCs and EOs realize how often they use that word, "authority," as some kind of mystical moving van in their attempt to vacate the office of the Holy Spirit and replace it with all the moldy furniture of the magisterium and its doctrines of men.

Where one person is who has received God's grace through faith in Christ there is a member of Christ's church. Where two or more such people are gathered in His name there is Christ's church on earth; His congregation of believers. And "there am I in the midst of them."

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." -- John 14:26

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." -- 1 John 2:27

Some men are taught by the Holy Spirit, and those men meet in a church to worship God in truth. Other men forsake the graciousness of God and attempt to assign the work of the Holy Spirit to a body of fallible men to dole out as they see fit.

5,794 posted on 05/24/2008 10:32:30 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; kosta50; wmfights; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; Uncle Chip; ...
I wonder if the RCs and EOs realize how often they use that word, "authority," as some kind of mystical moving van in their attempt to vacate the office of the Holy Spirit and replace it with all the moldy furniture of the magisterium and its doctrines of men.

Beautifully said, Amen!

There should be a remedial reading class assignment for all who don't understand the sovereignty of God.

Some men are taught by the Holy Spirit, and those men meet in a church to worship God in truth. Other men forsake the graciousness of God and attempt to assign the work of the Holy Spirit to a body of fallible men to dole out as they see fit.

And what's the end result when this happens?

We get purgatory, indulgences, praying for the dead, treasury of merit, transubstantiation, Maryolatory and clerics who place themselves above other Christians as "another Christ".

5,795 posted on 05/24/2008 10:50:39 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Wonderful reply, Dr. E. You are so right on!


5,800 posted on 05/24/2008 1:34:25 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Wonderful reply, Dr. E. You are so right on!


5,801 posted on 05/24/2008 1:36:07 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; Uncle Chip; OLD REGGIE; ..
I wonder if the RCs and EOs realize how often they use that word, "authority," as some kind of mystical moving van in their attempt to vacate the office of the Holy Spirit and replace it with all the moldy furniture of the magisterium and its doctrines of men

The thing you fail to understand is that anyone who interprets the bible, especially if they have no authority, is a doctrine of men!

You claim the Holy Spirit, but deny that the Church has it. Based on what? The Holy Spirit you can't prove? The Church interpreted the scrolls and selected those that are inspired and made a canon. Yet you deny that the Church can interpret anything.

Where two or more such people are gathered in His name there is Christ's church on earth

Christ was speaking to His disciples specifically and not to everyone. It's a plain as it gets. It says so in the very FIRST verse! Yet you deny it. Christ did not say "that's where the Church is." In fact, a few verses before that He says to take the matter to the Church! But one has to read everything, in context, to understand the verse properly.

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." -- John 14:26

Good, then we don't need the Bible or preaching! Thank you for bringing this up.

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you...-- 1 John 2:27

There you go! No need for preachers! What are all the Protestant pastors going to do for a living? Get a real job? No, they have convinced everyone that although the Bible is "perspicuous" there is a need to "explain" that which the HS will teach the believers (say Apostle John). Talk about vacating the office of the Holy Spirit! Talk of finding a thorn in your neighbor's eye!

Some men are taught by the Holy Spirit, and those men meet in a church to worship God in truth

But they don't have to go to church to praise God. Nor do they need to go to church to hear men talk to them about things the HS already taught them. And if they are not of the "elect" kind what good will that do?

I agree with Einstein, a lot if is just plain childish.

Other men forsake the graciousness of God and attempt to assign the work of the Holy Spirit to a body of fallible men to dole out as they see fit

I hear fallible preachers talking about the word of God over the radio every day interpreting it as they see fit.

5,809 posted on 05/24/2008 7:42:19 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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