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To: Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; Uncle Chip; OLD REGGIE; ..
I wonder if the RCs and EOs realize how often they use that word, "authority," as some kind of mystical moving van in their attempt to vacate the office of the Holy Spirit and replace it with all the moldy furniture of the magisterium and its doctrines of men

The thing you fail to understand is that anyone who interprets the bible, especially if they have no authority, is a doctrine of men!

You claim the Holy Spirit, but deny that the Church has it. Based on what? The Holy Spirit you can't prove? The Church interpreted the scrolls and selected those that are inspired and made a canon. Yet you deny that the Church can interpret anything.

Where two or more such people are gathered in His name there is Christ's church on earth

Christ was speaking to His disciples specifically and not to everyone. It's a plain as it gets. It says so in the very FIRST verse! Yet you deny it. Christ did not say "that's where the Church is." In fact, a few verses before that He says to take the matter to the Church! But one has to read everything, in context, to understand the verse properly.

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." -- John 14:26

Good, then we don't need the Bible or preaching! Thank you for bringing this up.

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you...-- 1 John 2:27

There you go! No need for preachers! What are all the Protestant pastors going to do for a living? Get a real job? No, they have convinced everyone that although the Bible is "perspicuous" there is a need to "explain" that which the HS will teach the believers (say Apostle John). Talk about vacating the office of the Holy Spirit! Talk of finding a thorn in your neighbor's eye!

Some men are taught by the Holy Spirit, and those men meet in a church to worship God in truth

But they don't have to go to church to praise God. Nor do they need to go to church to hear men talk to them about things the HS already taught them. And if they are not of the "elect" kind what good will that do?

I agree with Einstein, a lot if is just plain childish.

Other men forsake the graciousness of God and attempt to assign the work of the Holy Spirit to a body of fallible men to dole out as they see fit

I hear fallible preachers talking about the word of God over the radio every day interpreting it as they see fit.

5,809 posted on 05/24/2008 7:42:19 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; xzins; blue-duncan; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; irishtenor; ..
The thing you fail to understand is that anyone who interprets the bible, especially if they have no authority, is a doctrine of men! You claim the Holy Spirit, but deny that the Church has it.

Of course the church has the Holy Spirit, by virtue of the fact that the Holy Spirit indwells Christ's flock and Christ's flock makes up His church on earth. "And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

Yet you deny that the Church can interpret anything.

I deny many of the things the EO and RCC interpret. And that's not difficult. It's fairly simply, really, because I compare God's word to what the EO and RCC teach and I realize these two man-made institutions err when compared to Scripture.

Christ was speaking to His disciples specifically and not to everyone. It's a plain as it gets.

As Christ says in John 17:20, He includes all those who believe on His name. Why the EO and RCC feel compelled to exclude believers from Christ's prayer of inclusion, and instead invest some man-made magisterium with God's grace is unfathomable and anti-Scriptural.

But they don't have to go to church to praise God.

They go to church to praise God because Christ told us to gather with like-minded believers and sustain each other through His word.

And Protestants do not nullify the position of a pastor as one who leads Christ's congregation in worship. They simply do not invest their pastors with the blasphemous title of "another Christ," and most EOs would heartily agree with Protestants on this one. You, OTOH, seem to side with Rome more often than even your own church instructs.

I hear fallible preachers talking about the word of God over the radio every day interpreting it as they see fit.

Yep. So do I. And yet that has nothing to do with the fact that God does give the Holy Spirit to whom He will in order to guide that person's understanding of Scripture wherein he may learn of his salvation by Christ alone, if God so wills.

"Let this point therefore stand: that those whom the Holy Spirit has inwardly taught truly rest upon Scripture, and that Scripture indeed is self-authenticated; hence, it is not right to subject it to proof and reasoning. And the certainty it deserves with us, it attains by the testimony of the Spirit. For even if it wins reverence for itself by its own majesty, it seriously affects us only when it is sealed upon our hearts through the Spirit.

Therefore, illuminated by His power, we believe neither by our own nor by anyone else's judgment that Scripture is from God; but above human judgment we affirm with utter certainty (just as if we were gazing upon the majesty of God Himself) that is has flowed to us from the very mouth of God by the ministry of men." -- John Calvin, "Institutes of the Christian Religion," Book I, Chapter 7.


5,815 posted on 05/25/2008 12:36:25 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: kosta50

And your leaders are fallible as well.


5,824 posted on 05/25/2008 8:22:19 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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