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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr
All men are sinners and deserve hell. Period. God has predestined to save some, but not all, despite what they deserve

False! Hell was not created for men but for the devil and his angels. (cf Mat 25:41). That some men will end up there is because they will decide to follow the devil (by choice). It's their decision, not God's. We have been freed by Christ, who is the New Covenant, to either come to Him or not.

I mean, if I and a non-believer were up for the same job, and God decided to reward me, then the other guy who was more qualified) was interfered with

What makes you think a believer is any better than the non-believer? How prideful of you!

God does intercede if our will is in harmony with His and our intentions are pure.


5,780 posted on 05/24/2008 8:06:46 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr
FK: "All men are sinners and deserve hell. Period. God has predestined to save some, but not all, despite what they deserve."

False! Hell was not created for men but for the devil and his angels. (cf Mat 25:41). That some men will end up there is because they will decide to follow the devil (by choice). It's their decision, not God's.

The only thing wrong with this part of your statement is the word "FALSE"! :) That the original purpose of hell was for fallen angels is IRRELEVANT to the fact that men go there now, and deserve to after the Fall. Hell was created before the Fall, right? But for the rest, you're mostly right, men go to hell by their own choices. (I would only add that original sin by iteself IS enough to condemn.)

We have been freed by Christ, who is the New Covenant, to either come to Him or not.

Christ frees the elect to do good. The Truth is only given to some. The non-elect are not free to do good, but are free to do evil.

FK: "I mean, if I and a non-believer were up for the same job, and God decided to reward me, then the other guy (who was more qualified) was interfered with."

What makes you think a believer is any better than the non-believer? How prideful of you!

Please re-read my example. In it I say that the other guy, the non-believer, is MORE qualified for the job than me. I was just noting that others can be "negatively" affected by the blessings God gives to His children. IOW, what God does here on earth has ramifications far beyond our ability to comprehend. Everyone is affected by God's actions. That can be seen as "interference", which you argue against.

God does intercede if our will is in harmony with His and our intentions are pure.

Yes, and in the whole that affects everyone.

5,850 posted on 05/26/2008 7:27:06 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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