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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; irishtenor; blue-duncan; Mad Dawg; HarleyD; stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg
According to Mark and Matthew, the Sanhedrin asked Jesus not only if He was the Son of God, but specifically if He was the anointed (Greek: cristoV, christos) Son of God, which was the title of the kings of Israel, to which He answered in the affirmative but produced no evidence to support it.

Then when it comes to not producing evidence to your satisfaction, I'm in good company. :) What errant Jews thought at the time is irrelevant. Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:58 : "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"). He said He was THE Son of God (which Peter confirmed), not "a" son of God. What the angel told Mary at the Annunciation is proof. In addition, He performed miracles and He claimed to have the authority to forgive sins. Even the Jews understood that only God can forgive sins. The Bible is absolutely clear on the matter. And if you reject the Bible's teaching and only believe that Jesus is God because the fallible men of your Church command you to, then at least you have that one right. :)

5,650 posted on 05/18/2008 1:21:16 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; irishtenor; blue-duncan; Mad Dawg; HarleyD; stfassisi; ...
What errant Jews thought at the time is irrelevant.

It is relevant because that's what they were asking: questions relevant to their faith.

Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:58 : "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

John was written at the end of the century. Earlier Gospels do not share John's memory or Christ's divinity.

Given the proliferation of groups denying Jesus' divinity (such as Ebionites) in the latter part of the 1st century, one can understand that there was a need for a Gospel reaffirming that Christ is God, and not just an anointed human messiah.

Now, something caused the way the Apostles changed form being scarred and doubtful to fearless advocates even unto torture and martyrdom.

When Christ was betrayed, the disciples scattered like scared little bunnies. And even after His resurrection, they still doubted and all the way until the Pentecost (Mat 28:17). After the sending of the Holy Spirit, the Church becomes transformed from followers to converts.

Now, to me this is significant. They knew something and that something made them fearless and determined, something all of Jesus' miracles couldn't accomplish. It was the Spirit, who proceeds form the Father, that accomplished this.

It produced believers willing to die for the faith, but it does not, in and of itself, prove Jesus' divinity. I am not saying that He is not divine (God forbid!), but I am saying that there was a need for the Gospel of John stressing that Jesus is God.

Even the Jews understood that only God can forgive sins

Not in heaven! Jesus said "But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins" [Mark 2:10]

Please note that the expression "Son of Man" is "ben Adam" in Hebrew or "bar Adam" in Aramaic. It merely means a descendent of man and should be more correctly translated as the "Son of Adam" but then it looses its "mystical" meaning as we are all the sons of Adam.

The Bible is absolutely clear on the matter. And if you reject the Bible's teaching and only believe that Jesus is God because the fallible men of your Church command you to, then at least you have that one right

It's really sad that you have to throw mud on the Church because of what I, as a private citizen, have to say about the Bible. I have repeatedly explained that these are my views and not official Orthodox doctrine. I represent myself, my beliefs and my opinions.

I guarantee you that the Church commands no one to believe that Christ is not divine. To claim that it does is ignorant and untrue. You could spend the rest of your life trying to prove that it does and will die trying. You could not find a single example in anything the Church teaches that would support your claim.

5,654 posted on 05/18/2008 8:41:14 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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