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To: John Leland 1789
I think we need to study more English than Greek. The word “cousin” means, precisely as the koine Greek word, suggennes.

Trouble is, language is not dead. It changes. Word meanings change. It is not what the word used to mean, but what it means today that matters.

People do not stop at every word in the Bible and check what it used to mean, but interpret it as it currently means. And that's where weird interpretatins begin to pop up.

The English word "cousin" originated c. 1250 AD, as ME cosin which means son of one's mother's sister, a ligature from Latin roots con+sobrinus.

I would venture to say that it's more probable it meant the same thing 400 years later, when KJV was published, then today, 758 year after its formation.

Our ignorance of the vastness of English is not a basis for criticism of the KJB translators

Perhaps the English-speakers ought to study the vastness of history in order to be able to put the vastness of the English language (which is not English in most cases, but foreign imports, often with distorted meanings) in order to match the meaning it had within the historical context of what the word meant at some particular time.

Dumping a list of everything the word meant over its entire historical existence does not provide for the correct interpretation, as you seem to suggest, by cherry-picking the meaning that appeals to the reader or reader's agenda or preconceived notions the most. (sort of like the way Protestants interpret the Bible)

I have checked several dictionaries, including Webster's, and they all place the meaning of cousin being a child of one's uncle or aunt as the most current and most common meaning.

What will an average Bible-reader, who knows nothing of koine Greek, history, and Middle Eastern cultures, most likely conclude when he or she reads that Elizabeth was Mary's "cousin?" Will the reader say "oh, they must mean kinfolk?" Of course not. The reader will interpret the word according to its current most common meaning, which is wrong.

So, while it may have been interpreted correctly in the 17th century England (which I doubt), we no longer speak that way and are not likely to interpret words according to their archaic meanings.

This is one reason why the outdated, archaic KJV is the worst possible biblical source for contemporary use. The other reason KJV ought not ot be used is simply because it's based on flawed sources.

5,615 posted on 05/17/2008 8:29:28 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

“Dumping a list of everything the word meant over its entire historical existence does not provide for the correct interpretation, as you seem to suggest, by cherry-picking the meaning that appeals to the reader or reader’s agenda or preconceived notions the most. (sort of like the way Protestants interpret the Bible)”

Not one of those was listed as archaic, and infact, I’ve read often in 20th century books the more general use of the word “cousin.” That’s why it struck me to pull out the bulky big Oxford. “Cousin” is correct in the passage.


5,616 posted on 05/17/2008 8:34:58 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: kosta50

Encouragement to many to invest into comprehensive English dictionaries like the Noah Webster 1828, the Miriam Webster 1913 International, or the Oxford International (unabridged is best, though expensive). You will find your Bible study enhanced by devoting some time to deepen your grasp of English etymology.

Don’t be afraid of archaic words either, because many of them come back around in to usage. Get a Jing James Bible and one or more the dictionaries named above.

Actually, I discovered that the Miriam Webster Collegiate 10th and 11th Editions are actually very good Bible Study tools.

I am amazed how many words that are listed as archaic are again appearing with their original usages in news magazines.


5,619 posted on 05/17/2008 8:51:37 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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