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To: kosta50; Just mythoughts; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
FK to Just mythoughts: "Are you saying that we use our free will to decide to pass through the birth canal?"

Come on, FK, let's not be silly. :) Everything that has to do with us and God has to do with the "spirit," which has to do with how moral, virtuous, forgiving, merciful, etc. we are. Our biological functions (unless we willingly allow them to counter those moral qualities mentioned above) are irrelevant.

Don't look at me, you just saw me quote JMT in my last post. I am fully willing to wait for more information, but I hope you can understand where my questions were coming from. :)

You are born because the laws of nature (which we believe God instituted) expel the product. It happens in all mammals after a gestational period specific to each species, not just to humans.

The Bible doesn't say that. It says:

Isa 44:24 : "This is what the Lord says — your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the Lord, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself, ...

Jer 1:5 : 5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

I think that sounds very different from God just setting something in motion and then walking away. God is the creator of all life, even within time.

5,466 posted on 05/09/2008 6:12:16 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
Kosta: You are born because the laws of nature (which we believe God instituted) expel the product. It happens in all mammals after a gestational period specific to each species, not just to humans.

FK: The Bible doesn't say that. It says: Isa 44:24 : "This is what the Lord says — your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb...Jer 1:5 : 5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

The authors of the Bible believed that a whole preformed human being was in the "seed" and that the womb was "fertile soil" in which the "seed" grew, the way plants do. To even consider their notions of "science" as anything remotely credible takes a leap of faith, my friend. Once you do that, even bats can be considered "fowl," and the earth is standing of four pillars...

5,486 posted on 05/10/2008 7:19:28 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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