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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; Mad Dawg; stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg
So, then, you are forced to be a Christian?

It depends on what you mean by "forced". If "forced" means anything other than using my inner goodness to be smart enough to decide for myself what was in my own best interest, then yes, I was forced. If, however, God is permitted to change the hearts of His created elect such that they will freely come to and choose Christ, then no, I wasn't forced.

God offers; He doesn't force it upon you. Gifts can be turned down. You don't have to accept. You accept because you have made up your mind.

That depends on how good the gift is. There are such things as gifts that are so good no one would ever turn them down. Salvational grace is like that.

5,419 posted on 05/08/2008 10:26:28 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Mad Dawg; stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg
If "forced" means anything other than using my inner goodness to be smart enough to decide for myself what was in my own best interest, then yes, I was forced

What best interest of yours? Who considered your best interests? The Reformed theology teaches that God chooses Tom but refuses Harry. It has nothing to do with you. Some just happen to be cows for pasture; others for slaughter.

That depends on how good the gift is. There are such things as gifts that are so good no one would ever turn them down. Salvational grace is like that.

That depends on how believable the gift is. If I receive an offer saying I won a paid vacation Europe for two, that offers ends up in trash because the "sponsors" are not real, and the whole thing is a scam.

It takes a leap of faith to believe an offer that is to good to be true. To believe and not to have seen. Ultimately, you have to decide for yourself that the gift is genuine and real and to accept it. Otherwise, it is forced, "forced" to be Christians, and therefore it is not our faith, but a "spell."

5,425 posted on 05/09/2008 6:11:45 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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