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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Mad Dawg; stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg
If "forced" means anything other than using my inner goodness to be smart enough to decide for myself what was in my own best interest, then yes, I was forced

What best interest of yours? Who considered your best interests? The Reformed theology teaches that God chooses Tom but refuses Harry. It has nothing to do with you. Some just happen to be cows for pasture; others for slaughter.

That depends on how good the gift is. There are such things as gifts that are so good no one would ever turn them down. Salvational grace is like that.

That depends on how believable the gift is. If I receive an offer saying I won a paid vacation Europe for two, that offers ends up in trash because the "sponsors" are not real, and the whole thing is a scam.

It takes a leap of faith to believe an offer that is to good to be true. To believe and not to have seen. Ultimately, you have to decide for yourself that the gift is genuine and real and to accept it. Otherwise, it is forced, "forced" to be Christians, and therefore it is not our faith, but a "spell."

5,425 posted on 05/09/2008 6:11:45 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; Mad Dawg; stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg
FK: "If "forced" means anything other than using my inner goodness to be smart enough to decide for myself what was in my own best interest, then yes, I was forced."

What best interest of yours? Who considered your best interests? The Reformed theology teaches that God chooses Tom but refuses Harry. It has nothing to do with you.

I was paraphrasing the Apostolic view that man decides his own destiny by making the very smart move to accept Christ (or not). After Christ having done what He did for us on the cross, the Apostolic view has man being sovereign of God and fully capable concerning matters of salvation. I was assuming that anything other than this view would be labeled "forced" by Apostolics.

5,467 posted on 05/09/2008 6:33:29 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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