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To: kosta50; aruanan; HarleyD; annalex; stfassisi; Kolokotronis
FK: "What does it matter if it is making reference to a specific scripture in the OT or not?"

Because the other scriptures say something else about Enoch, i.e. he "was no more." It is the non-scriputre (Talmud) that says he never died.

"Was no more" is perfectly consistent with being taken up without dying. Hebrews is plain as day and is scripture and says he never died.

FK: "It is scripture, and it is plain and easy to understand. So, I believe it."

Good for you. Jude also quotes the Book of Enoch as scripture. Does that mean you consider the Book of Enoch scripture too?

No, since scripture does not authenticate the Book of Enoch as being God-breathed. Hebrews is so authenticated.

5,415 posted on 05/08/2008 6:40:08 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; aruanan; HarleyD; annalex; stfassisi; Kolokotronis
"Was no more" is perfectly consistent with being taken up without dying

If you say so. I think any reasonable person would interpret that as meaning that person was dead. Also, the phrase "God took him" is likewise an allegory for saying.

The Septuagint states (Gen 5:24), with my emphases:

Yet the Hebrew Bible simply states verse 24 with four words (one is a repeat):

How does one come up with a whole sentence with that is beyond me.

More importantly, John 3:13 states

Either +John didn't know about Enoch or he didn 't read it as the author of Hebrews did.

Also according to Genesis, Enoch is the sixth generation of Adam; but in another place he is placed in the seventh:

So, we have genealogical problems...again (like those of Matthew and Luke)?

In addition, Romans 5:12 and Hebrews 9:27 say that everyone must die.

So when you say that Enoch is a stand-alone statement and you believe it because it is scripture, you choose to ignore a whole lot of scripture to the contrary.

No, since scripture does not authenticate the Book of Enoch as being God-breathed. Hebrews is so authenticated

Jude is quoting from the Book of Enoch and Jude is scripture, FK. Or is it not scripture on Thursdays?

5,416 posted on 05/08/2008 8:55:28 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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