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To: stfassisi; kosta50; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; Mad Dawg; Kolokotronis; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
Your view of God makes both evil and goodness primary causes of God's creative power .Thus making Evil and goodness EQUAL,Thus making God eternal evil and eternal goodness in order to fit the reformed view of a sovereign God.

Then as I said in an earlier post, you don't understand the distinction between God ordaining that evil happen and God causing evil. The God you are espousing is extremely weak and NOT sovereign. That is because for you man must be in control and be sovereign apart from God. That is the perfectly natural desire of men as they are born. The universe really ISN'T big enough for both man and God to be in control. Therefore, for man to "claim" his control, God must be diminished. That is a huge difference between Reformers and Apostolics.

I don't think you realize this,fk, but what you're doing is saying the devil is not the cause of evil because you believe that God planned the devil to be evil.

No, I think I know pretty well what I'm saying, and that is, satan IS a cause of evil AND that God planned that he be so. Your side claims that God has all foreknowledge, so why did He create satan in the first place? Was He hoping He would be wrong? :)

I also wish you a blessed evening.

5,400 posted on 05/07/2008 6:30:46 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; Mad Dawg; Kolokotronis; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
Fk said “”Then as I said in an earlier post, you don't understand the distinction between God ordaining that evil happen and God causing evil.””

And FK also said this...

“”No, I think I know pretty well what I'm saying, and that is, satan IS a cause of evil AND that God planned that he be so.””

Allow me break this down to simplicity for you Dear Brother,since I am a simple person.

If God planned satan and evil,than satan and evil happened according to God's will.Therefore the CAUSE of satan and evil is the will of God,thus there would be no need for Him to ordain His own plan. Thus satan could not have acted freely because it would have thwarted the plan of God for the need of evil in the world.

Lord have Mercy on those who teach such things!

I would like to know how you would try preach Christianity to the Jews by telling them that God “planned” for Hitler to kill millions of Jews?

Reformed theology is very similar to dualism

5,407 posted on 05/08/2008 5:49:00 AM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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