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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; Mad Dawg; Kolokotronis; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
Fk said “”Then as I said in an earlier post, you don't understand the distinction between God ordaining that evil happen and God causing evil.””

And FK also said this...

“”No, I think I know pretty well what I'm saying, and that is, satan IS a cause of evil AND that God planned that he be so.””

Allow me break this down to simplicity for you Dear Brother,since I am a simple person.

If God planned satan and evil,than satan and evil happened according to God's will.Therefore the CAUSE of satan and evil is the will of God,thus there would be no need for Him to ordain His own plan. Thus satan could not have acted freely because it would have thwarted the plan of God for the need of evil in the world.

Lord have Mercy on those who teach such things!

I would like to know how you would try preach Christianity to the Jews by telling them that God “planned” for Hitler to kill millions of Jews?

Reformed theology is very similar to dualism

5,407 posted on 05/08/2008 5:49:00 AM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: stfassisi; kosta50; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; Mad Dawg; Kolokotronis; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
If God planned satan and evil,than satan and evil happened according to God's will.

So far, so good.

Therefore the CAUSE of satan and evil is the will of God,thus there would be no need for Him to ordain His own plan.

I don't see how that follows. We exist within time. God executes His plan within time. God does not cause evil Himself, but He does use the evil authored by others in the execution of His plan.

Thus satan could not have acted freely because it would have thwarted the plan of God for the need of evil in the world.

Apparently, for Apostolics, freedom is DEFINED by the ability to thwart God's will. I have never understood that kind of thinking, and obviously disagree with it. God is omnipotent. No one can thwart His will.

I would like to know how you would try preach Christianity to the Jews by telling them that God “planned” for Hitler to kill millions of Jews?

I wouldn't begin to pretend to speak for God's motives, so that's off the table. The Holocaust was certainly not the first genocide to occur on earth, nor has it been the last. God wiped out everybody, save 8, in the Flood. We are His creations and He is free to do with us as He pleases. Of course this is not to say that God injected evil into Hitler to cause him to murder. He allowed it by leaving him alone, for His own reasons.

Reformed theology is very similar to dualism.

There are many kinds of dualism so you would have to be more specific for me to understand what you mean. If you mean that God is the author of both good and evil, then that is not Reformed theology. That is, depending on what duties you place upon God and how you define responsibility.

5,422 posted on 05/09/2008 12:20:34 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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