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To: kosta50
what does eye color, skin color, color of your hair, or your height have to do with your salvation?

I never said our eye, hair or skin color has anything to do with our salvation. Those things only have to do with how God made us. Our eye color or skin color does not determine our salvation. Our spiritual standing with God determines that -- whether He has chosen to cover our sins by the blood of Christ or not.

does God cause your foot to itch? Does He make you think bad thoughts too?

God's already given the answer to that question, Kosta, in 1 Corinthians 4:7 and many other places in Scripture. God is the first cause of all things.

If you don't understand the Scriptures, it's certainly not my job to give you new eyes or new ears. Pray for discernment.

5,390 posted on 05/07/2008 10:49:18 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I never said our eye, hair or skin color has anything to do with our salvation

Then why would God have anything to do with them?

Our spiritual standing with God determines that

In your Reformed theology, our spiritual standing has nothing to do with our salvation either. God either "saved" you before you even existed or He damned you.

Your "spiritual standing" is only a reflection of an already accomplished fact (according to the Reformed theology) and you had absolutely nothing to do with it, so it is not your spiritual standing.

The Reformed theology (if we can even call it that!) sees each human being as a puppet and God as the puppet master. We are brainless, mindless, emotionless, eyeless, earless, empty rag dolls that respond only to God pulling our strings and telling us what to do, think, feel and want.

Kosta: does God cause your foot to itch? Does He make you think bad thoughts too?

Dr. E: God is the first cause of all things

So, in this Reformed "theology" God gives you bad thoughts? Does He make you sin too? Does He make your foot itch just to see you scratch it? Is that the purpose?

Or when people get sick. Does God make people sick? One out of four or five pregnancies end up in spontaneous abortion. Is that God "changing" His mind?

If you don't understand the Scriptures, it's certainly not my job to give you new eyes or new ears

The sentiment is the same in reverse. So, when you say that "God made us" what exactly do you mean? Is God's hand involved in the very mechanics of conception? And does He create a soul at that moment or does He pull the pre-fabricated soul form His (Heaven/Hell) shelf?

Certainly, then, the Reformed must believe the souls are pre-fabricated (which is a pagan, Jewish, and Gnostic belief). If +Paul believed that too, then we know where that came from. But that's not what the Church ever taught.

5,392 posted on 05/07/2008 11:40:34 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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