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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; Mad Dawg; Kolokotronis; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
FK (referring to Hitler and Lucifer)-””They WERE all part of God's created plan, or else God is not omnipotent, but rather impotent! “”

Evil is a secondary cause and opposite of the primary cause of All things created by God,that primary cause is love and goodness ALWAYS WILLED by God

Your view of God makes both evil and goodness primary causes of God's creative power .Thus making Evil and goodness EQUIL,Thus making God eternal evil and eternal goodness in order to fit the reformed view of a sovereign God.

You fail to recognize that God allowing evil to exist has NOTHING to do with Him creating evil,which God does not do

I don't think you realize this,fk, but what you're doing is saying the devil is not the cause of evil because you believe that God planned the devil to be evil.

CHILLING,FK. Simply chilling!

Read the scripture again...

“God saw all things that he had made, and they were very good “(Gen. i, 31): “He made all things good in his own time” (Eccles. iii, 11): “Every creature of God is good (1 Tim. iv, 4).

I pray you wake up,Dear Bother!

I wish you Blessed evening

5,373 posted on 05/06/2008 5:38:14 PM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: stfassisi; Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; Mad Dawg; Kolokotronis; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
“God saw all things that he had made, and they were very good “(Gen. i, 31): “He made all things good in his own time” (Eccles. iii, 11): “Every creature of God is good (1 Tim. iv, 4)

Amen, STA. There is no evil in anything from God.

5,378 posted on 05/06/2008 9:25:41 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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To: stfassisi; kosta50; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; Mad Dawg; Kolokotronis; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
Your view of God makes both evil and goodness primary causes of God's creative power .Thus making Evil and goodness EQUAL,Thus making God eternal evil and eternal goodness in order to fit the reformed view of a sovereign God.

Then as I said in an earlier post, you don't understand the distinction between God ordaining that evil happen and God causing evil. The God you are espousing is extremely weak and NOT sovereign. That is because for you man must be in control and be sovereign apart from God. That is the perfectly natural desire of men as they are born. The universe really ISN'T big enough for both man and God to be in control. Therefore, for man to "claim" his control, God must be diminished. That is a huge difference between Reformers and Apostolics.

I don't think you realize this,fk, but what you're doing is saying the devil is not the cause of evil because you believe that God planned the devil to be evil.

No, I think I know pretty well what I'm saying, and that is, satan IS a cause of evil AND that God planned that he be so. Your side claims that God has all foreknowledge, so why did He create satan in the first place? Was He hoping He would be wrong? :)

I also wish you a blessed evening.

5,400 posted on 05/07/2008 6:30:46 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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