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To: HarleyD; kosta50; Forest Keeper
“”And this is where works enter into the picture and a total misunderstanding of original sin.””

No Harley , this is where love enters the picture with us freely cooperating with God's Grace!

“”Doesn't this sound exactly like Pelagius error?””

Not at all! It sounds like God gives us a choice to follow His will for us or resist it.

from the catechism

1037 God predestines no one to go to hell;618 for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance

Good Night ,Dear Brother.

I wish you a peaceful Blessed Evening!

5,005 posted on 04/20/2008 5:40:41 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi; kosta50; Forest Keeper
No Harley , this is where love enters the picture with us freely cooperating with God's Grace!

If we are "freely cooperating" then what is the difference between Pelagius version that man can work his way to heaven? In the end man is freely cooperating. And, as you've stated, it is God's will for all to be saved. So in a way you're confirming Pelagius' view; that 1) God wants men saved, 2) God shares His grace with all men, 3) man needs to make a choice. This isn't far from Pelagius' view.

God predestines no one to go to hell;618 for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end.

Actually, while very nice, God hates the sin that man produces so much so He has a Lake of Fire waiting to cast us into where the worms will torment us forever. God deliberately allow the fall of Adam, so I think it's rather difficult to say that He did not predestined it.

It isn't that man doesn't like God (at least in some form or fashion). It's that God doesn't like the sin of men and unregenerated man is the enemy of God.

Good night stfassisi. It is a pleasure to discuss these things.

5,043 posted on 04/21/2008 6:03:51 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: stfassisi; HarleyD; kosta50
from the catechism - 1037 God predestines no one to go to hell;618 for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance.

This is a good discussion. STF, let me ask you: if we do not consider Mary for a moment, do Latins believe that this mortal sin is ABSOLUTELY inevitable, OR, do you believe it is theoretically possible for someone simply to choose never to sin? That is, is it theoretically possible for a man to live by the Law perfectly from birth?

5,088 posted on 04/23/2008 3:28:34 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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