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To: stfassisi; HarleyD; kosta50
from the catechism - 1037 God predestines no one to go to hell;618 for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance.

This is a good discussion. STF, let me ask you: if we do not consider Mary for a moment, do Latins believe that this mortal sin is ABSOLUTELY inevitable, OR, do you believe it is theoretically possible for someone simply to choose never to sin? That is, is it theoretically possible for a man to live by the Law perfectly from birth?

5,088 posted on 04/23/2008 3:28:34 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; Kolokotronis; annalex
“”do Latins believe that this mortal sin is ABSOLUTELY inevitable, OR, do you believe it is theoretically possible for someone simply to choose never to sin? That is, is it theoretically possible for a man to live by the Law perfectly from birth?””

Does the reformed teach that mortal sin must be achieved in order to be a Christian?

Catholicism/Orthodoxy does not teach this!

Catholicism/Orthodoxy teaches to avoid sin and not to embrace sin.

Sin is what separates us from Christ,Dear FK

Catholic's/Orthodox are taught to TRY and avoid sin!Period!

I have failed miserably in my lifetime,but I would never condone sin as being something we should teach others to be a Christian practice.

I wish you a Blessed Evening!

5,091 posted on 04/23/2008 8:01:11 PM PDT by stfassisi
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; HarleyD; annalex
""is it theoretically possible for a man to live by the Law perfectly from birth?""

From the Catechism

SIN

I. Mercy and Sin

1846 The Gospel is the revelation in Jesus Christ of God's mercy to sinners.113 The angel announced to Joseph: "You shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins."114 The same is true of the Eucharist, the sacrament of redemption: "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."115

1847 "God created us without us: but he did not will to save us without us."116 To receive his mercy, we must admit our faults. "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."117

1848 As St. Paul affirms, "Where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."118 But to do its work grace must uncover sin so as to convert our hearts and bestow on us "righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ ourLord."119 Like a physician who probes the wound before treating it, God, by his Word and by his Spirit, casts a living light on sin:

Conversion requires convincing of sin; it includes the interior judgment of conscience, and this, being a proof of the action of the Spirit of truth in man's inmost being, becomes at the same time the start of a new grant of grace and love: "Receive the Holy Spirit." Thus in this "convincing concerning sin" we discover a double gift: the gift of the truth of conscience and the gift of the certainty of redemption. the Spirit of truth is the Consoler.120

113 Cf. ⇒ Lk 15.

114 ⇒ Mt 1:21.

115 ⇒ Mt 26:28.

116 St. Augustine, Sermo 169, 11, 13: PL 38, 923.

117 1 Jn 8-9.

118 ⇒ Rom 5:20.

119 ⇒ Rom 5:21.

120 John Paul II, DeV 31 # 2.

5,101 posted on 04/24/2008 5:30:44 AM PDT by stfassisi
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