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To: Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; Mad Dawg
My mind is already made, by God

Than it's not your mind. That makes you a mindless robot. :)

No credit to me.

No argument there. :)

Do you believe that Job 1:1 has God telling us that Job was without sin?

No, the auhtor of Job is telling us that Job was "blameless" or "perfect." Since to you the book of Job is "inspired," it must be a true statement, regardless form which point of view; otherwise it's misleading.

I say that Job was a sinner just like the rest of us, and that only by God's grace was he able to remain faithful through his trials.

That can be said of all. A re you not "jusitified" by faith? Are you blameless, i.e. "perfect?"

The verse referred to how other men saw him, not to his standing before God

How can they know he is perfect and shunned evil? Whoi can say that for another human being, but God?

4,344 posted on 03/19/2008 7:47:19 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; blue-duncan; Mad Dawg
FK: "Do you believe that Job 1:1 has God telling us that Job was without sin?"

No, the author of Job is telling us that Job was "blameless" or "perfect." Since to you the book of Job is "inspired," it must be a true statement, regardless form which point of view; otherwise it's misleading.

But I know what the Bible says: "In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil." (Job 1:1 NIV) "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." (Job 1:1 KJV)

Why am I not allowed to take POV into consideration if I believe the Bible is God-breathed? That doesn't follow. The POV is made known either within the passage or through other scripture. Thus it is not misleading. In this case it is internal. Notice that the first clause says he is blameless or perfect and the second says that he feared God. If the first POV is NOT that of men, that men saw him as perfect, THEN the second clause is redundant.

Are you not "justified" by faith? Are you blameless, i.e. "perfect?"

Not before men, like Job was, but in God's eyes, yes. Sounds ironic, doesn't it? :)

How can they know he is perfect and shunned evil? Who can say that for another human being, but God?

By simple observation. Of course it isn't a pronouncement of absolute truth, since we know Job sinned. It amounts to his reputation.

4,613 posted on 03/30/2008 3:05:22 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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