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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights; ...
Of course He was fully human. But not only was He NOT stained by original sin, He was also fully God

Neither was Adam and he was free to disobey the will of God; and He chose to exercise (actually abuse) his freedom. From that we learn that when we absue our freedom, we loose it.

The difference is that Christ in His humanity chose not to disobey. That was His choice. Was He double-predestine as well and subject to the necessity of His own "plan?"

Neither could fully human Jesus serve both God and satan, AS God. It just couldn't happen.

But neither can we!

Kosta: Then the Son is subordinate to the Father. That's Arian heresy

FK: John 6:38-39 : 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day...

And Jesus is also quoted as saying (John 14:28) "...If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. [my emphasis]

No wonder heretics also quote scriptures! Perhaps that's why Origen, who cannot be accused of theological poverty, eventually began teaching the error of "hierarchichal" Trinity.

If such theological giants as Origen and Tertullian can fall, the danger of private interpretition for teaching and reproof of the scriptures as one sees fit is loud and clear.

Your argument is with Jesus Himself, not me

I have no arguments with Christ, FK. In His humanity, He chose not to sin. He was tempted like the rest of us, but He chose not to follow His temptations. He did that on His own free will. In His Humanity, He possessed human soul, experienced passions, and death.

Otherwise He was an illusion of a man, and His suffering and death were illusions as well, and that is yet another ancient heresy.

4,287 posted on 03/18/2008 7:45:07 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights; ...
FK: "Of course He was fully human. But not only was He NOT stained by original sin, He was also fully God."

Neither was Adam and he was free to disobey the will of God; and He chose to exercise (actually abuse) his freedom. From that we learn that when we abuse our freedom, we loose it.

False premise. You can't compare Adam's unique original condition to ours today. Now, only the saved are free, and in a different way than Adam. We do abuse it from time to time and are punished for it, but scripture says we cannot lose it permanently.

The difference is that Christ in His humanity chose not to disobey. That was His choice. Was He double-predestine as well and subject to the necessity of His own "plan?"

So you would say that Christ was free to contradict His own nature? You would say that even though the Bible says it can't happen, that Christ was free to serve two masters? Interesting. I assume you would say that God is unchangeable simply by the chance that Jesus chose not to sin? I could go on all day, but you get the idea. :)

BTW, no one is double-predestined to anything. That doesn't even make sense. ............. God made a plan and has been executing it flawlessly. That plan obviously included Jesus.

No wonder heretics also quote scriptures! Perhaps that's why Origen, who cannot be accused of theological poverty, eventually began teaching the error of "hierarchichal" Trinity.

You are totally misunderstanding me. I am not saying there is any hierarchy in the Trinity. There is not. Jesus said "I and the Father are one". You were attacking scripture again by saying it contradicts and I was showing you that perspective matters.

4,554 posted on 03/29/2008 6:32:12 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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