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To: kosta50; irishtenor; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; Gamecock; ...
I must remind you that the oldest complete Christian Bible, Codex Sinaiticus, contains the Epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Heremas as canon. Was the Church fooled? Did it lack spiritual discernment to include them?

When exactly did "the Church" make a dogmatic declaration of what the canon of Scripture was?

The Muratonian Fragment from 170 AD does not include the Shepherd of Hermes or the Epistle of Barnabas as Scripture, but does indicate they are worthy of being read.

4,104 posted on 03/16/2008 10:41:06 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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“When exactly did “the Church” make a dogmatic declaration of what the canon of Scripture was?”

In the East I don’t believe it was ever done as a truly dogmatic matter. Certainly no Ecumenical Council ever decided such a thing. Local councils decided what would be used for local or regional churches. My memory is that Trent did define the canon for The Church in the West, but I could be wrong on that.


4,105 posted on 03/16/2008 10:45:15 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: wmfights; irishtenor; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; Gamecock
When exactly did "the Church" make a dogmatic declaration of what the canon of Scripture was?

Why "the Church" as if questioning that the Church existed? Ridiculous.

The Church made a dogmatic declaration of the canon at the Third Council of Carthage, at the very end of the 4th century. Until that time, the canon varied from church to church, as can be seen from the various private canons (from Bible Research)

Athanasius
(b. 296)

Origen
(b. 185)

Irenaeus
(b. 130)

Marcion*
(b. 85)

Matthew Matthew Matthew
Mark Mark Mark
Luke Luke Luke Luke
John John John
Acts Acts Acts
Romans
1 Corinthians 1 Corinthians 1 Corinthians 1 Corinthians
2 Corinthians 2 Corinthians 2 Corinthians 2 Corinthians
Galatians Galatians Galatians Galatians
Ephesians Ephesians Ephesians Ephesians
Philippians Philippians Philippians Philippians
Colossians Colossians Colossians Colossians
1 Thessalonians 1 Thessalonians 1 Thessalonians 1 Thessalonians
2 Thessalonians 2 Thessalonians 2 Thessalonians 2 Thessalonians
1 Timothy 1 Timothy 1 Timothy
2 Timothy 2 Timothy 2 Timothy
Titus Titus Titus
Philemon Philemon Philemon Philemon
Hebrews Hebrews Hebrews
James James James
1 Peter 1 Peter 1 Peter
2 Peter 2 Peter 2 Peter
1 John 1 John 1 John
2 John 2 John 2 John
3 John 3 John 3 John
Jude Jude Jude
Revelation** Revelation Revelation

Italic type indicates that the writer either does not mention the book or expressed some doubt about the status of the book.

The Muratonian Fragment from 170 AD does not include the Shepherd of Hermes or the Epistle of Barnabas as Scripture, but does indicate they are worthy of being read.

That's right. Many variations, showing individual interpretations and no unity. Hardly the work of the Holy Spirit!

4,117 posted on 03/16/2008 1:47:40 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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