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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; irishtenor
FK: "When Paul speaks of "his gospel" he is perfectly clear that he is not speaking of some gospel that he made up. No, he is speaking only of that Gospel that was given to him personally by Christ."

Makes you wonder why did He choose the eleven others who were on a dead-end mission to the lost sheep of Israel.

I don't wonder at all since that never happened. That is historical revisionism. For God there is no dead-end mission. Everything accomplishes its purpose. Since the lost sheep of Israel included some Gentiles, there was no dead-end.

It's nice of +Paul to tell us that "his gospel" is what was given to him "personally" by Christ, but it is not what Christ taught when He was walking the earth. I doubt that Christ changed His story.

I don't think Christ changed His story either. :)

FK: "I am fine with "inspired", but I like "God-breathed" better. I think that better describes what is actually going on."

Same meaning, that is moved, motivated, etc.

Oh no, not at all. "God-breathed" is from God's breath, it is FROM Him. You can say that "inspired" merely means a nudge, but you can't say that about God-breathed. That is a PERSONAL reference, God's very breath. Words from HIS mouth, as it were. God breathed life into Adam. Do you say that God nudged Adam to give himself life? :) Big difference.

3,990 posted on 03/14/2008 1:56:51 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
Just as an aside: One of the tings that makes conversation so, uh, exciting is the way words change, and the way some of us antiquarians refuse to change with them. To me what you got here is "in" (which, strangely enough is Latin for, wait for it .... "in", or "into") and "spirare" "to breathe." And the "God" part is understood.

And you got in Hebrew, Greek, and Latin the way the at least one word for "breath" is also the word for "spirit".

So while to many "inspired" these days may mean little more than "taking a notion", to me it will always mean "breathed into or 'enspirited' (usually by God)".

Just doing my little bit to add to the confusion, no need to thank me ....

3,992 posted on 03/14/2008 4:30:54 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Forest Keeper
I don't wonder at all since that never happened. That is historical revisionism. For God there is no dead-end mission. Everything accomplishes its purpose. Since the lost sheep of Israel included some Gentiles, there was no dead-end

He picked 12 as judges of the 12 tribes of Israel in the restored kingdom (cf Revelation).

He sent them specifically to the lost sheep of Israel, specifically FORBADE them to go to Samaritans and Gentiles, and he specifically states that he was sent ONLY for the lost sheep of Israel. He never, ever commanded them to go to the Gentiles, nor did he ever himself go to them. In his mercy, he helped those who came to him, even if they were Gentiles.

You keep repeating ad nauseum that his mission included "some" Gentiles but cannot for the life of you come up with a single verse quoting him as saying that.

Oh no, not at all. "God-breathed" is from God's breath

That is a latter-day Protestant innovation. God's breath is power that animates. In the OT, the Spirit of God is equivalent to the Power of God. Power to move. The ancients knew that dead people don't breathe and they associated bretah with some sort of a "spirit" living inside them, i.e. life itself. So, in that context, God-inspired means "brought to life by God," initiated by God, moved by God to happen.

God breathed life into Adam

And that's what it means! God brought, moved, "infused" him to life, to existence ("and he became man"). It doens't mean Adam was made free from error, potential or otehrwise.

God-inspired means God moved the authors to write and bring scripture to existence. Without God as a concept in our imagination, there would be no scriptures. It does not say the scriptures are free from potential error, FK.

3,996 posted on 03/14/2008 5:39:52 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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