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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights; ...
Why would that offend you so much. It doesn't seem to offend the Orthodox Research Institute. Here is an excerpt from The Name of God: Abba by Fr. Paul Tarazi. "Father Paul is Asst. Professor of Old Testament and Semitic Languages at St. Vladimir Orthodox Seminary and pastor of St. George Antiochian Church of Danbury, Conn."

First, on a personal note, I am not impressed with titles and positions. Let's not forget that such theological giants as Origen and Tertullian ended up falling into heresy. Don't forget that Arius and Marcion were bishops, and that many sho strayed were a Patriarchs of Contsantinople! (that's a lot higher than the very reverend Fr. Tarazi). No one is ever high enough not to be subject to error.

I am also very supsicious of clean shaven Orthodox priests. There is a "message" behind it.

More importantly, he is not a spokesman for the entire Church. To the best of my knowledge no Church Council has ever accepted such a definition. His statements are no different that the statements of Church Fathers whose speculations, although not heretical, did not make it to the Councils, and were never elevated to doctrine or dogma.

You are creating a straw man, FK. His opinions are just that, theological opinions, Orthodoxy calles them theologoumenna. I submit that no serious Orthodox priest would ever say that Chirst called the Father "Daddy."

3,942 posted on 03/12/2008 4:33:12 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; HarleyD; blue-duncan; wmfights

“Fr. Paul Tarazi. “

Tarazi is a heretic in my opinion ( and in the opinion of many, many others).

“I submit that no serious Orthodox priest would ever say that Chirst called the Father “Daddy.”

And I submit that the only thing Tarazi is serious about is heresy!


3,943 posted on 03/12/2008 4:46:44 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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“”I am also very supsicious of clean shaven Orthodox priests.””

Just curious,nothing more. Is there something about facial hair that Orthodox feel is important ?

...Or is it just tradition?

3,944 posted on 03/12/2008 5:05:18 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: kosta50; Quix; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights
FK: Why would that offend you so much. It doesn't seem to offend the Orthodox Research Institute. Here is an excerpt from The Name of God: Abba by Fr. Paul Tarazi. ...

First, on a personal note, I am not impressed with titles and positions. Let's not forget that such theological giants as Origen and Tertullian ended up falling into heresy. Don't forget that Arius and Marcion were bishops, and that many sho strayed were a Patriarchs of Contsantinople! (that's a lot higher than the very reverend Fr. Tarazi). No one is ever high enough not to be subject to error.

That's OK. I was just telling you who the guy was. I don't know this guy from Adam. I just found him. :) But on the bottom line, DESPITE what you think of the good Father, I still maintain that the use of "Daddy" is good and proper because of the familiar connection. It is personal and it is intimate. I truly believe that God wants to have this type of relationship with us rather than one where we are a drone reporting through ten layers of hierarchy to get to Him. I KNOW that my relationship with God is nothing like that.

I am also very suspicious of clean shaven Orthodox priests. There is a "message" behind it.

I did not know that was (potentially) suspicious.

More importantly, he is not a spokesman for the entire Church.

That's right. To me he is "some guy". :) But he DOES represent the website called the "Orthodox Research Institute". If you know, is this website a fraud?

You are creating a straw man, FK. His opinions are just that, theological opinions, Orthodoxy calls them theologoumenna.

Oh, come on Kosta! I found some guy from an official looking website and I fully linked to it. If it should be trashed then I gave you the opportunity. :) There is no sneakery on my part here. :)

I submit that no serious Orthodox priest would ever say that Christ called the Father "Daddy."

"Daddy" is an English equivalent. The point is a showing of intimacy and personality and family. The idea behind it is that God WANTS a personal relationship with us, His children.

4,229 posted on 03/17/2008 11:44:15 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: kosta50; Quix; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights
FK: Why would that offend you so much. It doesn't seem to offend the Orthodox Research Institute. Here is an excerpt from The Name of God: Abba by Fr. Paul Tarazi. ...

First, on a personal note, I am not impressed with titles and positions. Let's not forget that such theological giants as Origen and Tertullian ended up falling into heresy. Don't forget that Arius and Marcion were bishops, and that many sho strayed were a Patriarchs of Contsantinople! (that's a lot higher than the very reverend Fr. Tarazi). No one is ever high enough not to be subject to error.

That's OK. I was just telling you who the guy was. I don't know this guy from Adam. I just found him. :) But on the bottom line, DESPITE what you think of the good Father, I still maintain that the use of "Daddy" is good and proper because of the familiar connection. It is personal and it is intimate. I truly believe that God wants to have this type of relationship with us rather than one where we are a drone reporting through ten layers of hierarchy to get to Him. I KNOW that my relationship with God is nothing like that.

I am also very suspicious of clean shaven Orthodox priests. There is a "message" behind it.

I did not know that was (potentially) suspicious.

More importantly, he is not a spokesman for the entire Church.

That's right. To me he is "some guy". :) But he DOES represent the website called the "Orthodox Research Institute". If you know, is this website a fraud?

You are creating a straw man, FK. His opinions are just that, theological opinions, Orthodoxy calls them theologoumenna.

Oh, come on Kosta! I found some guy from an official looking website and I fully linked to it. If it should be trashed then I gave you the opportunity. :) There is no sneakery on my part here. :)

I submit that no serious Orthodox priest would ever say that Christ called the Father "Daddy."

"Daddy" is an English equivalent. The point is a showing of intimacy and personality and family. The idea behind it is that God WANTS a personal relationship with us, His children.

4,230 posted on 03/17/2008 11:45:38 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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