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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; irishtenor; Marysecretary
If your sins are all forgiven and you are "saved," there is nothing to stop you from doing the most abominable things. Nothing.

LOL. Only the indwelling Holy Spirit. Does that count?

Sure, provided the Holy Spirit is truly indwelling someone. Just because someone "feels" the Holy Spirit within him or her doesn't mean it's the Holy Spirit. LOL!

And how do men know they have the gift of the Holy Spirit within them? By reading the Bible and having their eyes opened and their minds renewed by God to the glorious truth therein...

But everyone reads some sort of a bible and claims to have the eyes and the ears and the gifts. It's what they DO with them that says a lot more. It always comes down to works, not random verse generation.

3,781 posted on 03/09/2008 8:39:24 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; irishtenor; Marysecretary
It always comes down to works, not random verse generation.

Yes it does for you guys.

You claim your works are actually an integral part of your salvation. We do not. Any works that we do are a reflection of an inner change that has already occurred.

Let me give you an example. Jeffrey Dalmer, terrible perverted serial killer, in prison shortly before he was killed claimed he believed The Gospel and had Faith in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour. He had very little time to do any kind of works. Is he a Christian and did he go to heaven? If he truly believed I say yes.

3,783 posted on 03/09/2008 8:52:39 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; irishtenor; Marysecretary; Alamo-Girl; Quix
Sure, provided the Holy Spirit is truly indwelling someone. Just because someone "feels" the Holy Spirit within him or her doesn't mean it's the Holy Spirit. LOL!

Ah, but we've just made a giant leap forward because you now admit the Holy Spirit does indwell God's children.

Nothing speculative or questionable. The Holy Spirit indwells some people. Good. That's progress.

But everyone reads some sort of a bible and claims to have the eyes and the ears and the gifts. It's what they DO with them that says a lot more.

Again, I'm happy to see you in agreement with us Bible-believers when you admit that some people actually do have new eyes from God and new ears from God.

And we further agree that "what we do with them says a lot more." Exactly. What we do with those gifts says...who we are. They identify us. The gifts don't win us God's favor. They are the result of God's favor. And what we do with those gifts attests to God's benevolence in giving us those new eyes and new ears in the first place.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." - Eph. 2:8)

3,792 posted on 03/09/2008 11:59:12 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; Marysecretary

I might add...

By their fruits you shall know them. Are they exhibiting the fruits of the Spirit? Is their life an example of Christ? Are they a light shining in the darkness?


3,860 posted on 03/10/2008 3:44:01 PM PDT by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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