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To: conservonator
Do the fallen angles “believe that Christ is not only the eternal Son of God but the Saviour of the world?

Where in Scripture are we told that Angels are given souls to be redeemed by the Sacrifice of Jesus?

Belief is far more than acknowledging Christs Kingship.

What do think Born Again Christians mean when they say they Believe in Jesus?

345 posted on 01/29/2008 2:05:27 PM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: wmfights
Where in Scripture are we told that Angels are given souls to be redeemed by the Sacrifice of Jesus?

Good point, but what is a soul? Now the fallen angels have chosen hell and will not be saved, that was not my point, the point is that belief is far more than acknowledging that Christ is King and Redeemer. Belief is the marriage of faith and works made possible by Grace. Grace is salvific, the born again believer is capable of real faith and real , that is to say grace enabled, works.

356 posted on 01/29/2008 2:32:02 PM PST by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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To: papertyger; conservonator; wmfights
C asks (as quoted by w.)
Do the fallen angles “believe that Christ is not only the eternal Son of God but the Saviour of the world?
W replies:
Where in Scripture are we told that Angels are given souls to be redeemed by the Sacrifice of Jesus?
Here we see the deflecting attack on someone for what that person did NOT say. This is like a smokescreen behind which the first person's point is lost.

Some time ago, when I started on the RF on FR, I would have said that this was either conscious or sort of "psychopathology of everyday life" stuff - a "convenient" misunderstanding.

Now, judging by the apparent sincerity of the outrage when these things are noticed and pointed out, I'd say it's more akin to the phenomenon I've noted in PD victims of what I think of as "malleable history, malleable reality". Yes, the misunderstanding is still convenient, but there may be remaining almost no capacity to see that this there is any pathology here, and the more the matter is pressed, the more violent the response will be.

For me one of the hardest hurdles to get over was that S-E folks, like most PD victims, really sincerely believe the altered history and reality. My amateur but not entirely without training guess is that the therapeutic path has to involve something like the old Chemical Dependency Unit course or like a 12 step program.

I'm entirely serious here.

419 posted on 01/29/2008 6:20:45 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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