[Mad Dawg]

C asks (as quoted by w.)

Do the fallen angles “believe that Christ is not only the eternal Son of God but the Saviour of the world?

W replies:

Where in Scripture are we told that Angels are given souls to be redeemed by the Sacrifice of Jesus?

Here we see the deflecting attack on someone for what that person did NOT say. This is like a smokescreen behind which the first person's point is lost.

Some time ago, when I started on the RF on FR, I would have said that this was either conscious or sort of "psychopathology of everyday life" stuff - a "convenient" misunderstanding.

Now, judging by the apparent sincerity of the outrage when these things are noticed and pointed out, I'd say it's more akin to the phenomenon I've noted in PD victims of what I think of as "malleable history, malleable reality". Yes, the misunderstanding is still convenient, but there may be remaining almost no capacity to see that this there is any pathology here, and the more the matter is pressed, the more violent the response will be.

For me one of the hardest hurdles to get over was that S-E folks, like most PD victims, really sincerely believe the altered history and reality. My amateur but not entirely without training guess is that the therapeutic path has to involve something like the old Chemical Dependency Unit course or like a 12 step program.

I'm entirely serious here.

[Quix]

Given your entirely seriousness . . .

perhaps it’s time to allow others to know that quite commonly and evidently in this case, the

PD stands for

either or both:

1. Personality Disorders in general

and/or

2. Psychopatic Disorder

Please keep in mind, the poster asserts how serious the poster is about such matters.

Perhaps the only more serious label available that one might hope to apply to an enemy would be that of ‘axe murderer.’

Nevertheless, I appreciate the complement. It’s a LOT better than being luke warm. LOL. Sigh!

[Quix]

This is like a smokescreen behind which the first person’s point is lost.

= = =

I think the Prottys hereon learned this tactic from the RC’s hereon.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

You've misconstrued the discussion we were having about faith, MD.

We were told faith is "not enough" because even the fallen angels have faith that Christ is Lord.

We responded that all the world is without excuse in recognizing Christ is Lord, but that ONLY those who have been given saving faith in Jesus Christ recognize Christ as their SAVIOUR.

Again we'll ask, what fallen angel, what demon, what Satan has faith that Christ is their Saviour?

None.

Faith is not simply a familiarity with Christ's name. Faith is knowing that Christ died to pay for one's sins in full.

No fallen angel has faith that Jesus Christ paid for their sins.

This is not a difficult concept to understand, MD, and we'll all pray for your guidance and enlightenment.

The rest of your post concerning your experience with alcoholism and personality disorders is interesting but meaningless to this conversation.

[conservonator]

Good catch. It is an interesting, what; tactic, predilection, I don’t know. More study is required.