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To: wmfights
Do the fallen angles “believe that Christ is not only the eternal Son of God but the Saviour of the world? Belief is far more than acknowledging Christs Kingship. Don’t believe the cheap grace of faith alone , intellectual assent salvation.
331 posted on 01/29/2008 1:34:29 PM PST by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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To: conservonator; wmfights; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; the_conscience; Lord_Calvinus; Quix; HarleyD; ...
Do the fallen angles "believe that Christ is not only the eternal Son of God but the Saviour of the world? Belief is far more than acknowledging Christs Kingship. Don't believe the cheap grace of faith alone , intellectual assent salvation.

You've misstated this continually. Let's try for a final clarification.

God's gift of faith in Jesus Christ is not simply the knowledge that Christ is Lord. It is the understanding that Christ is the Saviour.

Do you know any fallen angels or demons who believe Christ is their Saviour?

Me, either.

The knowledge that Christ is Lord should be evident to every created creature in the world. It is self-evident.

But the understanding that Christ is the Saviour who alone paid for every one of the sins of His flock is not so common. It is only held by those to whom God has given new eyes and new ears and a new heart with which to understand and be grateful for the fact that Christ is their Saviour.

No demon, no fallen angel, no Satan believes Christ is their Redeemer.

Hope this helps your misunderstanding of God's word and promise.

"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." -- Romans 4:4-5

Do you understand what Paul is telling you? Are you saved by debt or grace?

Good works are the evidence of God's grace; not a requirement for it.

342 posted on 01/29/2008 2:00:20 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: conservonator
Do the fallen angles “believe that Christ is not only the eternal Son of God but the Saviour of the world?

Where in Scripture are we told that Angels are given souls to be redeemed by the Sacrifice of Jesus?

Belief is far more than acknowledging Christs Kingship.

What do think Born Again Christians mean when they say they Believe in Jesus?

345 posted on 01/29/2008 2:05:27 PM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: conservonator

As previously posted, faith alone - properly comprehended - is not cheap grace. For your edification, since you seem to have missed it on the previous page:

As I said in post 165: “So it’s an active trust - not merely mental assent. As you sit in a chair, you put your trust in it as you plop down. That’s a fairly good metaphor for the kind of trust “believe” carries with it. If one’s belief does not affect one’s behavior, it merely assent and not a true belief.” This is what James’ letter is talking about. Works do not and can not save one - Christ is the only One who was without sin and, therefore, eligible to save anyone (For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous). Our (Christian’s) works are the result of believing in Him and trusting in Him - similar to trusting in the chair to hold us up as we plop down on it. One might say he trusts the chair, but if never sits on it, he has only words.

Taking up the cross - die to self, mortify the deeds of the flesh, etc. - ARE the actions that one who has been saved by the Lord Jesus would take.

Faith precedes good works and is needful or else the works would be rubbish.

You mistakenly think that sola fide is of the devil. “faith plus works” for new birth is of the devil. Faith plus works for the sanctification of the Saint is of God. To be born again, as the Lord put it, is completely the work of God - as your physical birth was none of your work, neither is one’s spiritual birth. A spiritually dead man (Ephesians chapter 2) can do NOTHING of spiritual worth. God must take the initiative (Romans 3:9-18), He choses who will be saved (Ephesians 1:3-8), and He finished the work (Heb 10:1-14).

Romans 3:
“21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”


347 posted on 01/29/2008 2:06:32 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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