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Not everyone is given those types of things

Forest Keeper and I had this discussion a while back. The verse simply says believers. Just like the verse before: those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. It doesn't mean "some" of those who believe and are baptized, HD. It means all who believe and are baptized shall be saved (I emphasize also shall be; it doesn't say are).

It's just like the verse where Jesus says He was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel that Protestants suddenly lose their "eyes" and cannot see the word only. Similarly, they cannot see that Christ is speaking to the disciples only at the Sermon on the Mount.

Funny "visions" and "hearings" Protestants have. Selective, just like their verses.

***Similarly, they cannot see that Christ is speaking to the disciples only at the Sermon on the Mount.***

Must be another Bible. Mine says that he was speaking to GREAT CROWDS in Matthew 5. Not just a few disciples.

Perhaps this fell between the cracks:

KOSTA50 SAID:

I am not opposed to Mark 16:17-18. I am simply asking where are those signs the verse speak of as a promise to the believers?!

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How often are those signs in your local congregation and to what extent . . .

i.e.

How often in terms of times per service or some such?

How dramatically?

How miraculously?

The verse simply says believers. Just like the verse before: those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. It doesn't mean "some" of those who believe and are baptized, HD. It means all who believe and are baptized shall be saved

This is an excellent example of how people read into the text things that are not there. Consider the text:

Mar 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Mar 16:17 And miraculous signs will follow to those believing these things: in My name they will cast out demons; they will speak new tongues;
Mar 16:18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them. They will lay hands on the sick, and they will be well.

Do you see the word "all" anywhere in this text? It doesn't say "all believers". It simply states that miraculouse signs will follow to those believing these things. It also does not mention that you have to be baptized to be saved; only that those who do not believe are not saved.

If people would pay closer attention to what the text ACTUALLY states versus what they THINK the text states, it would make our Calvinist teaching a little bit easier.