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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; irishtenor; the_conscience; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
All of the words of God are Truth – we should never treat them as either/or.

Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: - Luke 24:25

The fulfillment of prophesy in Psalms 22 shows that God provides signs of His own choosing, not the signs demanded by men.

All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, [saying], He trusted on the LORD [that] he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. - Psalms 22:7-8

And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest [it] in three days, Save thyself, and come down from the cross. Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save. Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him. - Mark 15:29-32

That point was also raised in Matthew 12:38-40.

me: That does not mean that visible signs are not present in my life. Indeed, I have testified to many such signs even here on the forum

you: And that proves what? Your testimony is just that. Your word.

Your reaction is not surprising. After all, if one excludes the testimony of Paul, he could hardly be expected to accept the testimony of contemporary Christians.

me: Moreover, of all the signs, the vital one all Christians receive is being reborn in the Spirit.

you: I thought all of scripture is equally important because all of ti is the word of God. Who says what is vital and what isn't? I am asking you again, is St. Mark's quote of Jesus promising signs as evidence of the believers a lie or not?

“Vital” means “belonging or relating to life” (dictionary.net) And God has said what is vital – and it is certainly not the will of man. (emphasis mine)

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe. He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light. [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. - John 1:1-13

You continued.

me: The anti-Christ, anti-God, atheist activists demand the same thing you demand – God’s copyright notice, a bag of M&Ms. Or as you once demanded “God’s caller ID.”

you: So, now you are callinhg me anti-Christ because you can't prove ythat your testiromony is anything but a feleing and the fact that you can reconcile Mark 16:17-18 with being a believer? Who died and left you to judge?

I didn’t call you anti-Christ. I said you are demanding the same thing the anti-Christ, anti-God, atheist activists demand. And I provided the link as evidence to your demand for God's caller ID.

You are not in good company, kosta50.

Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. - Luke 16:29-31

Then again, doubting Thomas was an Apostle, too.

But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed. – John 20:24-29

Perhaps Christ will give you the physical, visible, evidence you demand. Perhaps He will give you His "caller ID."

But you are His and that is His choice to make, not mine.

Still, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

Maranatha, Jesus!!!

1,947 posted on 02/12/2008 11:35:32 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
After all, if one excludes the testimony of Paul, he could hardly be expected to accept the testimony of contemporary Christians.

lolol.

1,957 posted on 02/12/2008 3:38:24 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alamo-Girl
I am not going to continue this. I will let you have your last word. I don't enjoy our disagreements. We do not see things the same way and it's an ubridgable gap. Nothing personal. I gain no pleasure expressing doubts in some of your statements, no matter how mistaken I think they are. If you expressed them as your beliefs rather than your certain gnosis I wouldn't have even replied to you. But, it's your world as much as it is mine. So, go in peace. And I will go in peace too.
1,963 posted on 02/12/2008 4:56:19 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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