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To: Campion
From the catechism of the Catholic church...

737 - The mission of Christ and the Holy Spirit is brought to completion in the Church, which is the Body of Christ and the Temple of the Holy Spirit.

739 - ...Through the Church's sacraments, Christ communicates his Holy and sanctifying Spirit to the members of his Body.

740 - These "mighty works of God," offered to believers in the sacraments of the Church, bear their fruit in the new life in Christ, according to the Spirit. (This will be the topic of Part Three.)

Right off the bat the catechism has it wrong. The church is not the "temple of the Holy Spirit." Individual believers are indwelled by the Holy Spirit. Each believer whom God has adopted from before the foundation of the world is a "lively stone" which makes up the church of God on earth.

The RCC has the sacraments being the means of Christ revealing Himself to us and paying for our sins, when Scripture tells us that the Holy Spirit gives all believers the knowledge of what is good and true regarding Christ's one-time, accomplished sacrifice for all this sins of His flock.

And the RCC has "the mighty works of God" offered through the sacraments, when according to God's word, the "mighty work" of Christ has been offered and accepted by God and is now made known to each believer by the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

1,534 posted on 02/07/2008 1:04:55 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Campion
Right off the bat the catechism has it wrong. The church is not the "temple of the Holy Spirit."

The Church is the Body of Christ, composed of believers. Believers have the Holy Spirit, ergo, "the Church [is] the Temple of the Holy Spirit".

The RCC has the sacraments being the means of Christ revealing Himself to us and paying for our sins, when Scripture tells us that the Holy Spirit gives all believers the knowledge of what is good and true regarding Christ's one-time, accomplished sacrifice for all this sins of His flock.

The first statement does not necessarily negate the latter. Think about it.

And the RCC has "the mighty works of God" offered through the sacraments, when according to God's word, the "mighty work" of Christ has been offered and accepted by God and is now made known to each believer by the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

Same as above (the two statements are not mutually exclusive).

1,537 posted on 02/07/2008 1:15:11 PM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The church is not the "temple of the Holy Spirit."

What a bizarre claim. Scripture says the bodies of Christian believers are temples of the Holy Spirit. How much more is that true of the mystical Body of Christ?

Besides which, the Church is the Temple of the Living God. It as much the Temple of the Holy Spirit as it is the Temple of the other Persons of the Blessed Trinity.

Are you into rejecting the Trinity now?

The RCC has the sacraments being the means of Christ revealing Himself to us and paying for our sins

That isn't what the catechism said, is it? No, it certainly isn't. That's your spin on what the catechism said.

when Scripture tells us that the Holy Spirit gives all believers the knowledge of what is good and true regarding Christ's one-time, accomplished sacrifice for all this sins of His flock.

The catechism passages you quoted didn't discuss how believers acquire knowledge, but how they acquire grace.

Well, on another thread, we're assured that "Romanist doctrine" says that we can only seek God through our intellect. That isn't any "Romanist doctrine" I know. Maybe you guys think "knowledge" and "grace" are two ways of saying the same thing.

1,555 posted on 02/07/2008 2:26:17 PM PST by Campion
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