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To: 1000 silverlings
I don't get the connection. Nobody is disputing that there have been some horrendous things done by Catholics in the past.

I am interested in the phenomenon of the people who complain of such misdeeds turning around and doing the same thing, AND, especially, in the way people use what they claim is an evangelical call or duty or some-such to intentionally provoke and insult others, and also to be content with attacking some lie about the people they disparage rather than addressing the truth.

To develop the last point, there are ample opportunities, some even in FR, to find out the real notion that Catholics have about Church and denomination, and about, say, the necessity (if any) of Baptism, and a lot of other things.

But what I frequently see is people insisting that I believe what I do not in fact believe, and that I do what I do not do, and then attacking me for it and seeming to choose to be impervious to any new information about Catholic Faith and Practice.

And then this is justified, as it seems, by a claimed similarity to a paternal beating given to a wayward son.

I am interested in communication. So I am always interested when people want to engage in verbal exchanges but seem not to want to communicate. Abuses in Church related schools (the antisemitism I saw at one sort of vaguely New England Congregationalist/Unitarian prep school would curl your hair!) is a grave evil. I just don't find it an interesting evil.

1,117 posted on 02/03/2008 1:13:49 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; Marysecretary
well evil is evil, whether interesting to you or not.

Questioning the doctrines of so-called Christian churches is not abuse and when I am told (all the time by the way, what I believe) I don't consider it such. Some of the most intense debating here sometimes goes on between believers of the same denominations. Quoting the bible in defense is "iron sharpening iron", not abuse and is healthy and a way of learning. Getting threads closed or shut-down because someone doesn't like what is posted, is very childish, in my opinion.

Attributing sadistic motives to long-time, and respected posters, especially those who feel they are called to preach the Word, and whom we do not know personally, is in itself highly suspicious of a defect in one's own personality, wouldn't you agree?

Spending too much time online probably can't be constructive to one's physical and mental health anyway, as it might lead to an obsession of sorts. Some people might tend to take some matters a little too seriously. One thing about online posting that I do know from experience, one's posts that they themselves care so much about and are so invested in, can be not even read and quickly dismissed and forgotten.

However, God has promised that when He sends out His Word, it does not return empty-handed. The posters who cite scripture so faithfully and repeatedly, which does tend to antagonize others for reasons we are aware of, are not doing it to abuse anyone, but using it instead of their own opinions and words in fruitful debate.

1,118 posted on 02/03/2008 1:38:30 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Mad Dawg; 1000 silverlings; Quix; Marysecretary; wmfights; WileyPink; Forest Keeper; ScubieNuc; ...
there are ample opportunities, some even in FR, to find out the real notion that Catholics have...But what I frequently see is people insisting that I believe what I do not in fact believe

Take a step back and consider that every one of us on this forum agrees that you believe what you say you believe, and we would agree that you are in accord with the doctrines and dogma of Rome.

But that is not what is being debated on threads like this.

The doctrine and dogma of the RCC are being debated on threads like this. Mary's supposed sinless nature is being debated. Mary's supposed perpetual virginity is being debated. Mary's supposed bodily ascension into heaven after her death is being debated. Mary as supposed "co-Redeemer" and "Dispensatrix of all grace" is being debated.

So all this about us "telling you what you believe" is nonsense. We can read the catechism. We really do know what you believe.

And we disagree with you and your catechism by the word of God and the power of God. And by God's grace, we support that disagreement with Scripture.

We do believe you when you say you do not think you are praying to a wooden stick when you kneel to a statue of a dead person in church. We believe you think that.

But we think God's word rebukes that practice of what you do -- kneeling to, praying to, asking for intercession, guidance, help, absolution or mediation from, anyone other than the Triune God.

"And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people." -- 2 Corinthians 6:16

1,132 posted on 02/03/2008 5:01:37 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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