Posted on 01/27/2008 7:56:14 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg
In direct and complete contradiction of 1 Timothy 2:5...
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
God is the focus of our prayers
Obviously not, as you just told us.
“Do you know of any “cast out angels” who believe Christ is their Lord and Saviour? I don’t.”
Let’s rephrase that.
Do you know of any “cast out angels” who believe Christ is their Lord?
Even the demons know Christ is Lord.
And they entered Capernaum. And on the Sabbath he went into the synagogue and immediately began to teach. [22]And the people were amazed at the teaching; for he was teaching them as one who had authority, and not in the way the scribes did. [23]And immediately in their synagogue there was a man in an unclean spirit, and he cried out, [24]saying, What do we have to do with you, Jesus the Nazarene? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the holy one of God!” [25]And Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Shut up and come out of him.” [26]And the unclean spirit came out of him after convulsing him and uttering a loud cry. [27]And they were all awestruck, so that they asked one another saying, “What is this? a new teaching with authority! He even gives order to the unclean spirits, and they obey him.” [28] And immediately his fame spread everywhere, into all the regions of Galilee.
The demons certainly know Christ is Lord.
Just knowing and believing doesn’t mean salvation.
They certainly knew and feared the Lord.
The Bible is proclaimed despite Rome's ages-old attempts to silence it as some of us have even experienced on this very forum.
If Rome had its way, there would be no Bibles written in English, or German, or French, or Swahili. And most likely they'd still be chaining the Bible to the altar.
But God will not be mocked, and His word accomplishes exactly what He intends...
"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." -- Isaiah 55:11
However, again I'll ask you for evidence that any demon or fallen angel believes Christ to be their Saviour, which, of course, was the original question.
“The Bible is proclaimed despite Rome’s ages-old attempts to silence it as some of us have even experienced on this very forum.”
Tell us. How has Rome attempted to silence you on Free Republic?
“However, again I’ll ask you for evidence that any demon or fallen angel believes Christ to be their Saviour, which, of course, was the original question.”
That’s not my original question.
Later.
Asia is a big place. You know nothing of the streets I do along nor the buildings and shrines that line them. Where there are outposts of the RCC, they tend to be an amalgamation of Catholicism and pagan culture. The RCC almost acts like the Borg, assimilating the cultures it interacts with.
Besides, what does a RCC look like? Aside from the men who think they are priests and so forth.
Sis,
Most excellent post! One other things that I’ve come across: RCC folk seem to not be able to comprehend that saints in heaven (aside from Enoch & Elijah) have died the first death. Hence, their obsessions about insisting Mary isn’t dead, etc.
I thank the Lord for others getting involved in defending the Lord’s Truth on this thread. RCC folks get spun up quickly whenever there’s a hint of exposure of the dark under belly of their mother organization.
“Asia is a big place. You know nothing of the streets I do along nor the buildings and shrines that line them. Where there are outposts of the RCC, they tend to be an amalgamation of Catholicism and pagan culture. The RCC almost acts like the Borg, assimilating the cultures it interacts with.
Besides, what does a RCC look like? Aside from the men who think they are priests and so forth.”
What a farcical post!
Go find someone else to engage your junk.
Soooo, what Romanist Council did Jesus and the Apostles fall back on to know what was Scripture?
What’s farcical about those statements? Do RCC people have a certain look about them? Has the RCC not coupled itself with myriad cultures around the World? Do the voo-doo services held in RCCs in many countries comport with RCC doctrine? If that is true, why do so many RCC outposts get so intertwined with pagan cultures? Of course, many churches fall prey to this - no only RCC.
Tsk, tsk. So the scriptures boils down to just "love one another"? Anything other than this is "medieval claptrap"? You may like to know that according to Vatican 1, the proclaimation does not consider you a Christian and states there is no salvation outside the Church. I would also suggest the Reformers who came out of the Catholic Church probably had a better understanding of the issues than you. So I would give them a little bit more respect than calling their work "medieval claptrap".
Lots of "religious" people today would claim to "love their brothers". Heck, Hindus even claim to love cows. I would suggest you're forgetting the FIRST commandment to love God with all your heart. If you see a brother in sin you are suppose to warn him; not given him a hug and say, "That's OK, God loves you just the way you are."
Catholics don't have any problem standing up for Catholic values including praying to tiny little stautes. I've traveled a fair bit in my days and I believe some of our FReeper Catholics would probably be quite surprise at the idolatous nature of the Church in third world countries. One has to wonder why they don't condemn the Church or bishops for allowing this. Instead they argue with Protestants about it. Shame on them.
This email message doesn't surprise me in the least; instead it's typical. Unfortunately, most Protestants today are simply of the milk-toast variety, unable or unwilling to take a stand against such behavior. Shame on us.
It boils down to love God OR love your neighbor. People can't always have it both ways.
Of course not. On the other hand, we are most certainly specifically commanded by Jesus Himself to "love one another."
This peristent need for certain religious elements to denounce Catholic practice as "demonic" is a particularly noxious violation of that commandment.
The only practice labeled as demonic - on this thread - to the best of my knowledge, is the that of people worshiping idols, as was described by Randall as taking place in various public areas in Mexico City during his recent visit.
Are you saying such practices are “Catholic”?
Oh no, not these word games again.
You said: "Just knowing and believing doesn't mean salvation."
To which I replied that while demons "know" Christ is Lord, they do not "believe" He is their Saviour.
Thus we see Jesus and Paul and Peter telling those with ears to hear that to believe that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour is evidence of your salvation since it is God who has given you faith in Christ in the first place.
But don't take my word for it.
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." -- Acts 16:30-31 "...Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
I assume the RC Bible also has Acts 16 in it. And John and Romans and 1 Peter?
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." -- Romans 10:9-13"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Note that in Romans 10 Paul felt so strongly about this he repeated the verse twice within the same chapter.
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you." -- 1 Peter 1:18-25 "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
Interestingly, Christ spoke the word "tradition" dozens of times, but always with scorn.
"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36"Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me." -- John 14:1
Worse than thinking themselves to be a priest is their believing themselves to be "another Christ."
"The Catholic faith teaches that the priest is another Christ, an alter Christus...
Sadly, the RCC Bible must not contain Hebrews or Matthew 24:5...
"For many shall come in my name, saying 'I am Christ', and shall deceive many."
Wow - that link to the RCC teaching about their “priesthood” is sad.
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