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To: Deut28
The element of which you speak is the Holy Spirit, God within his people. And I’m quite sure you would agree that God is infallible.

Agreed. NO ONE is "infallible" without the Spirit of God.

To suggests that the element that enables the Church to be the “pillar and foundation of truth” is a man is blasphemous.

Even if God Himself establishes, promotes it, and continues its existence? God acts through men - and men recognize that it is God working through men. Thus, God works through Moses, and God works through the Jews to enable them to identify God working through Moses!

Would you agree that Paul's Gospel is infallible, as he says in Galatians 1, based on God Himself, rather than Paul? Although a man preaches, the Galatians recognize that it is God's Gospel, God's Word. This continues to happen today, since God promised it, and He has acted in this manner throughout the entire bible.

God has given us the means, and it is not our own opinions. It is the Holy Spirit. Indeed, it is the Catechism of the Catholic Church that identifies the Holy Spirit as the Interpreter of Scripture.

That is absolutely true - and we believe He speaks through Ecumenical Councils or the ordinary teaching "always given in every place". Thus, the Spirit of God (on this particular subject) can be found in the "sense of the faithful" that identifies God's Word when taught, as well as in the Magesterium when it presents a teaching to be accepted by that same faithful who are inhabited by the Spirit of God.

By the way, you have presented very good comments.

Regards

78 posted on 01/24/2008 11:29:42 AM PST by jo kus (You can't lose your faith? What about Luke 8:13...? God says you can...)
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To: jo kus

You’re quite knowledgable of the Bible, so I’m sure you’re equally familiar with the attempts throughout the Israeli history where God established a man as head of his church (as it was at that time), and the man continually failes. You mention Moses, have you forgotten why Moses never entered the promised land?

The Israelites kept screaming for God to appoint a man to lead them, and God continued to provide them kings that continually failed. Why would you presume that after offering Christ as a sacrifice for all, God would place the success of that monumental event into the hands of another man?

It is only man who desires man to lead the Church. God is the head, and that was the reason for Christ. If leadership of the Church was possible through humans, there would have never been a need for Christ to be crucified.

Prior to the NT, can you name a single man that was granted the powers of infalliblity by God? After tearing down the curtain, why would God quickly erect a new one in the form of mortal, and therefore sinful, leadership?

As for Galatians 1, Paul is warning against straying from diligent study of the Word with the Spirit’s guidance. He quite adroitly points out that self proclaimed councils were twisting the Word. This is a lesson that is missed in the arguement for Ecumenical Councils and Popes. Paul specifically points out that the only way the Word can be twisted is by the listening to another’s interpretation rather than doing your own diligent study. This follows very closely in line with Rabinical teachings, that the only way to know God is to encounter him directly through His Word.

Can you explain to me the difference between the Magesterium and the Levitical priests and groups that strayed from God’s word?


79 posted on 01/24/2008 11:50:13 AM PST by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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