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To: jo kus

The element of which you speak is the Holy Spirit, God within his people. And I’m quite sure you would agree that God is infallible.

To suggests that the element that enables the Church to be the “pillar and foundation of truth” is a man is blasphemous.

The Bible identifies the Rock of the Church many, many times. And it is always the same.

God has given us the means, and it is not our own opinions. It is the Holy Spirit. Indeed, it is the Catechism of the Catholic Church that identifies the Holy Spirit as the Interpreter of Scripture.

Is the Catechism incorrect? Where does the Holy Spirit reside in your view, and in the Bible’s view?


73 posted on 01/24/2008 11:08:10 AM PST by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: Deut28
The element of which you speak is the Holy Spirit, God within his people. And I’m quite sure you would agree that God is infallible.

Agreed. NO ONE is "infallible" without the Spirit of God.

To suggests that the element that enables the Church to be the “pillar and foundation of truth” is a man is blasphemous.

Even if God Himself establishes, promotes it, and continues its existence? God acts through men - and men recognize that it is God working through men. Thus, God works through Moses, and God works through the Jews to enable them to identify God working through Moses!

Would you agree that Paul's Gospel is infallible, as he says in Galatians 1, based on God Himself, rather than Paul? Although a man preaches, the Galatians recognize that it is God's Gospel, God's Word. This continues to happen today, since God promised it, and He has acted in this manner throughout the entire bible.

God has given us the means, and it is not our own opinions. It is the Holy Spirit. Indeed, it is the Catechism of the Catholic Church that identifies the Holy Spirit as the Interpreter of Scripture.

That is absolutely true - and we believe He speaks through Ecumenical Councils or the ordinary teaching "always given in every place". Thus, the Spirit of God (on this particular subject) can be found in the "sense of the faithful" that identifies God's Word when taught, as well as in the Magesterium when it presents a teaching to be accepted by that same faithful who are inhabited by the Spirit of God.

By the way, you have presented very good comments.

Regards

78 posted on 01/24/2008 11:29:42 AM PST by jo kus (You can't lose your faith? What about Luke 8:13...? God says you can...)
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