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Posted on 01/19/2008 12:42:03 PM PST by Alex Murphy
With their dark suits, white shirts and name tags, Mormon missionaries are the most identifiable representatives of the LDS Church in America. Yet as they knock on doors or ride their bikes through South Carolina and Nevada neighborhoods during this weekend's presidential primaries, they have been forbidden to talk about Mitt Romney.
The LDS Church's mission is "to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ," LDS spokesman Scott Trotter said Friday. "As a church we are politically neutral and have instructed our missionaries to focus on that mission and to respectfully decline any invitations to discuss politics."
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints bans all political discussion from its pulpits and young missionaries are not allowed to read newspapers or watch television, so they may not even know of the intense political debates swirling about them. They likely know little about Romney's candidacy or positions on issues.
But curious people probably ask them about it every day, says Ron Scott, a Boston-based journalist who has followed Romney's campaign closely. "I'm sure it's in their face everywhere they go."
Scott served a two-year LDS mission to New England from 1965-1967, while Romney's father, George Romney, made his abortive attempt to win the White House.
"I talked about his dad when I was on my mission," Scott said. "I was quite proud to talk about his dad. He was my personal hero. He was everything I wanted to be."
Scott and his missionary colleagues set up a street display in college towns, asking people what they knew about famous Mormons.
The King Sisters was a Mormon singing group touring the country at the time, and Lorraine Day was a well-known actress.
George Romney was on the list.
Today's missionaries cannot mention Romney, arguably the most visible Mormon in the country.
"If I was a missionary now, I'd talk about Mitt," Scott said. "It will not hurt the church's tax status unless some silly mission president instructs his charges to talk up Mitt's candidacy."
Thank you Mr Murphy, I just read that thread and that is a really interesting history of a nickname Ive heard for many years. Still think that our old friend got the shaft, not being allowed to go into the Temple to her own sister*s wedding. Here in NorCal, that was the temple in Oakland, a beautiful sight visible for miles .
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Okay, so that leaves some wiggle room for politicians who are personally opposed to abortion but don’t want to make it illegal.
That’s what I though. Thanks for the clarification.
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That’s not the way I see it. It gives people more responsibility for there own actions.
“The purposes of our God are great, His love unfathomable, His wisdom infinite, and His power unlimited; therefore, the Saints have cause to rejoice and be glad.”
No, they couldn’t use them as campaign managers, and morals have nothing to do with it.
The church could lose its tax exempt status should those young “elders” get political. Not happening, because the Mormon church is very rich and would have much to lose.
I get perturbed by the incredible amount of mixing religion and politics in the “Christian” community.
Those churches are playing with fire; it they keep it up, they could lose their tax exemption.
I have heard him explain it as follows.
It was the difference between what he believed personally, the rules by which he would govern his own life, and what he believed the law ought to be doing. We Mormons don’t smoke. But we don’t go around advocating the banning of tobacco. When he was a volunteer ecclesiastical leader, he counseled women against abortion. But he took a hands-off position when it came to the law. In that sense, he was “pro-choice.”
That was his position, you can take it for what it’s worth. I’ve known a few other faithful Mormons who have had a similar opinion. They would never countenance abortion in their own lives, and would do anything they could do to discourage it in the lives of the women around them, but they didn’t want to prohibit it by law. I disagreed with them, and I still do, but there it is.
The Church avoids political positions because the gospel is for all, even Democrats.
They only take political positions circumstances with extreme moral consequences, like gay marriage.
Then, if he believes the law is wrong, I mean wrong in its intent, he might be inclined to work to overturn it. All these years we*ve heard this was the case, that the Supreme Court in *73 was in essence creating a law. The infamous Warren Court.
You’re right. They did create, out of thin air, a constitutional “right” that the Founders never intended, and that the majority of people in this country did not agree with. They recently did the same thing, when a majority of the Supreme Court created a constitutional “right” to homosexual sodomy.
“As a church we are politically neutral and have instructed our missionaries to focus on that mission and to respectfully decline any invitations to discuss politics.”
Snicker! RII-i-i-i-ight! < /sarc
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You might not be aware of this but when on a mission they are not allowed watch TV or read papers listen to any media or go to movies, date or other kinds of entertainment.
They are up early in the morning reading their scriptures doing prayers, eat breatfast and plan their day.
they retire early to read the scriptrues and to do their prayers it is important that they maintain a clean vessel to be able to receive the Holy Spirit to be with them to guide them through out their day.
Most do honor their calling.
Romney in his personal life was a strict observant to his faith!
When you run for public office you are expected to honor the Laws of the laws of the land, unless you have authority to sign bills that fit your conscience which he did but many choose not to hear!
What he assured is that he would uphold the Laws of the land and he had no authority to change anything until the country was ready and we are about to that point now look how long mnay years it took!
“Come on! ye persecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet... When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go.”
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v. 6, pp. 408-409
Agreed, but it’s a fire that never gets put out, and no one ever bothers to come investigate the smoke. How they get away with it is beyond me.
I won’t bother to try to re-address this afresh. Here’s what has already been posted on the subject.
Jesus Christ: Our Lord and Savior
Let me state unequivocally that Latter-day Saints believe and accept the ultimate authority of and salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh, and the only Being through whom we can be saved:
Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:10-12;)
The Book of Mormon echoes the message of the Bible, urging us to:
. . . remember that there is no other way nor means whereby man can be saved, only through the atoning blood of Jesus Christ . . . (Helaman 5:9.)
And reminding us that:
. . . we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins. (2 Nephi 25:26.)
On page after page, the Book of Mormon testifies of the divinity and completeness of the atonement of Jesus Christ. As Boyd K. Packer, Acting President of the LDS Church’s Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, recently said,
Christ dominates [the Book of Mormon]. . . . He is referred to in 3,925 verses, more than half of the 6,607 verse in the book. Beginning with the title page, where the purpose of the book is given as “the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God,” he is referred to as the Son of God, the Redeemer of the world, the Only Begotten of the Father, and nearly a hundred other titles. In the last phrase of the last sentence of the last verse, verse 6,607, the Savior is referred to as “the great Jehovah, the Eternal Judge.”
Joseph Smith’s later revelations confirmed and reemphasized Christ’s central and overriding position in our doctrine:
And we [Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon, in a vision on 16 February 1832] beheld the glory of the Son, on the right hand of the Father, and received of his fulness;
And saw the holy angels, and them who are sanctified before his throne, worshiping God, and the Lamb, who worship him forever and ever.
And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all which we give of him: That he lives!
For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father. (Doctrine and Covenants 76:20-23.4)
Joseph Smith himself, in response to the question “What are the fundamental principles of your religion?” answered:
The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.5
This is the principal and primary message of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and our scriptures and the words of our leaders and members proclaim it loudly! While a selective reading from antagonistic sources might make it seem otherwise, an honest and complete reading of Latter-day Saint literature cannot help but bear this out.
The role of prophets
As I just stated, the Savior is preeminent in our faith. Latter-day Saints also accept the witness and authority of prophets sent by Christ.
All men and women must accept the testimony of the prophets to receive salvation. Why? Christ himself left no written testimony—we only have information about him through the word of the prophets and apostles.
The scriptures testify that accepting the testimonies of the prophets is the first step to accepting Christ. The Savior declared to his apostles:
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. (John 13:20, emphasis added.6)
He also warned of the grave consequences of rejecting the apostles’ testimony:
He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. (Luke 10:16, emphasis added.)
The apostle Peter, recalling his experience at the Mount of Transfiguration, wrote:
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts. (2 Peter 1:16-19,)
Peter’s testimony is critical to our understanding of the divinity of Jesus Christ, because it is through him that we learn about the marvelous event on that mountain where the Father bore record of the Son. Likewise, John the Beloved is our primary source of majestic teachings of Jesus at the Last Supper, including the incomparable Great Intercessory Prayer.
Amos taught the importance of prophets by declaring that:
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but [i.e., except] he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. (Amos 3:7.)
Joseph Smith explained:
. . . the kingdom of God was set up on the earth from the days of Adam to the present time, whenever there has been a righteous man on earth unto whom God revealed His word and gave power and authority to administer in His name. And where there is a priest of God—a minister who has power and authority from God to administer in the ordinances of the gospel and officiate in the priesthood of God—there is the kingdom of God. And, in consequence of rejecting the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Prophets whom God hath sent, the judgments of God have rested upon people, cities, and nations, in various ages of the world, which was the case with the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, that were destroyed for rejecting the Prophets.9
Following this teaching, Latter-day Saints believe that the history of the world has been marked by one gospel dispensation after another. In this pattern, the Lord reveals his will to a prophet (or prophets), who then share their witness with the people. If the people listen to and heed the prophet’s message, the Lord then establishes his covenant with them—he will be their God and they will be his people.10 The prophets are given the “keys,” or authority, to administer this covenant and its ordinances to the people.11
Invariably throughout history, though, God’s people eventually fall away, breaking their covenant with him and pursuing false teachings and ideologies. Isaiah described the condition of Israel thus:
The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. (Isaiah 24:5.)
Fortunately the Lord is merciful, and after a periods of apostasy he has always reestablished his covenant. He promised Jeremiah:
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. (Jeremiah 31:31-33.)
This cycle of restoration-apostasy-restoration has been at work since the beginning of time. The Lord revealed his will to Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and others, each of whom headed up their own respective dispensation of the gospel.
During his mortal ministry, Jesus Christ established the “new covenant” prophesied by Jeremiah, which opened a new and great dispensation.13 Paul called this era “the dispensation of the grace of God” (Ephesians 3:2), and declared that he was a minister of it (Colossians 1:25).
Paul also prophesied that there would be a final dispensation, one to come after the time of the New Testament church. This would be the “dispensation of the fulness of times” during which the Lord would “gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him” (Ephesians 1:10).
Peter called this last dispensation “the times of restitution of all things,” following which the Lord himself would return (Acts 3:20-21).
Latter-day Saints believe that Joseph Smith was the prophet chosen by the Lord to usher in this last dispensation. As with former prophets, Joseph was given the “keys,” or authority, to administer God’s covenant and ordinances, to reveal the will of the Lord, and to reestablish Christ’s church.
Joseph Smith was the last in a long succession of prophets who received a dispensation of the gospel. Down through time, each of these prophets was commissioned by Christ, each of them holding the keys to exercise the authority of God for their dispensation. Adam, the first prophet, presides over all the dispensations under authority from Christ (D&C 107:55). Joseph Smith described this “chain of command”:
This, then, is the nature of the Priesthood; every [prophet] holding the Presidency of his dispensation, and one man holding the Presidency of them all, even Adam; and Adam receiving his Presidency and authority from the Lord, but cannot receive a fullness until Christ shall present the Kingdom to the Father, which shall be at the end of the last dispensation.
But while each prophet holds the keys for his respective dispensation, only one Person holds all the keys of all dispensations—the Lord Jesus Christ:
And when I [John] saw him [Christ], I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. (Revelation 1:17-18, emphasis added.)
Joseph Smith clearly taught:
Jesus Christ is the heir of this Kingdom—the Only Begotten of the Father according to the flesh, and holds the keys over all this world.
With this background in mind, let us proceed to the subject you raised.
Joseph Smith and the final judgment
Both the Bible and other Latter-day Saint scriptures testify that all people will one day stand before Christ to be judged.
However the scriptures also speak of Christ giving others the authority to execute judgment at this Last Day:
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. (Daniel 7:21-22,)
Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matthew 19:27-28,)
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Luke 22:29-30,)
Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? (1 Corinthians 6:1-3,)
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Revelation 20:4,)
From these verses we learn that Christ’s twelve apostles will “sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” Even beyond that, we are told that “judgment [is] given to the saints of the most High”—Christ’s covenant people—and that the saints “shall judge the world,” and not just the world but angels also.
So in regard to the great and final judgment, the scriptures make plain the fact that others, under authority from Christ the Lord, will exercise judgment upon all mankind and angels.
When Christ visited the people of the Book of Mormon after his resurrection, he called twelve Nephite disciples to lead and teach the people. Previous to this, around 600 B.C., the prophet Nephi was shown a vision of these twelve and also the twelve apostles who would minister in Jerusalem:
And the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold the twelve [Nephite] disciples of the Lamb, who are chosen to minister unto thy seed.
And he said unto me: Thou rememberest the twelve apostles of the Lamb [in Jerusalem]? Behold they are they who shall judge the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, the twelve ministers of thy seed shall be judged of them; for ye are of the house of Israel.
And these twelve [Nephite] ministers whom thou beholdest shall judge thy seed. And, behold, they [the Nephite twelve] are righteous forever; for because of their faith in the Lamb of God their garments are made white in his blood. (1 Nephi 12:8-10.)
Based on these and other scriptures, LDS apostle Bruce R. McConkie summarized:
Christ is the great judge of all the earth. “The Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.” (John 5:22.) In due course, every living soul shall stand before his judgment bar, be judged according to his own works, and awarded a place in the mansions that are prepared. (Mormon 3:20.)
Under Christ a great hierarchy of judges will operate, each functioning in his assigned sphere . . . [He then quotes many of the scriptures listed above] . . . . No doubt there will be many others of many dispensations who will sit in judgment upon the peoples of their days and generations—all judging according to the judgment which Christ shall give them, “which shall be just.” (3 Nephi 27:27.)
A very precise treatment of this subject came from John Taylor, the third president of LDS Church:
When we reflect upon the statement of creatures [human beings] being judged without law [Romans 2:12-16], the question arises as to who are to be their judges. We may here state that Christ is called the judge of the quick and the dead, the judge of all the earth. We further read that the Twelve Apostles who ministered in Jerusalem “shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” (Matt. 19:28.) Also the following: [He quotes D&C 29:12; 1 Nephi 12:8-10.]
This exhibits a principle of adjudication of judgment in the hands, firstly, of the Great High Priest and King, Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of God; secondly, in the hands of the Twelve Apostles on the continent of Asia, bestowed by Jesus Himself; thirdly, in the Twelve Disciples [of the Book of Mormon] on this continent, to their peoples, who it appears are under the presidency of the Twelve Apostles who ministered at Jerusalem. . . . It is also further stated that the Saints shall judge the world. Thus Christ is at the head, His Apostles and disciples seem to take the next prominent part; then comes the action of the Saints, or other branches of the Priesthood, who it is stated shall judge the world. This combined Priesthood, it would appear, will hold the destiny of the human family in their hands and adjudicate in all matters pertaining to their affairs; and it would seem to be quite reasonable, if the Twelve Apostles in Jerusalem are to be the judges of the Twelve Tribes, and the Twelve Disciples on this continent are to be the judges of the descendants of Nephi, then that the brother of Jared and Jared should be the judges of the Jaredites, their descendants; and, further, that the First Presidency and Twelve who have officiated in our age, should operate in regard to mankind in this dispensation, and also in regard to all matters connected with them, whether they relate to the past, present, or future, as the aforementioned have done in regard to their several peoples. . . .
President Taylor describes an organized structure, set up by Jesus Christ for the purpose of carrying out the final judgment. Note how he says that the authority and final decision is “in the hands, firstly, of the Great High Priest and King, Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of God,” after which each group holding the keys of their own dispensation will judge those who lived in their dispensation. He concludes, “it would seem to be quite reasonable . . . that the First Presidency and Twelve who have officiated in our age, should operate in regard to mankind in this dispensation.”
Now to the statements from Brigham Young you used. You claim that “in Young’s eyes [Joseph] Smith was at least as important as Jesus Christ.”24 Let’s review Brigham’s words, keeping in mind the doctrine of judgment being given to the saints.
In this first example, I will also include the preceding paragraph, as it throws added light on the subject:
Much has been said about the power of the Latter-day Saints. Is it the people called Latter-day Saints that have this power, or is it the Priesthood? It is the Priesthood; and if they live according to that Priesthood, they can commence their work here and gain many victories, and be prepared to receive glory, immortality, and eternal life, that when they go into the spirit-world, their work will far surpass that of any other man or being that has not been blessed with the keys of the Priesthood here.
Joseph Smith holds the keys of this last dispensation, and is now engaged behind the vail in the great work of the last days. I can tell our beloved brother Christians who have slain the Prophets and butchered and otherwise caused the death of thousands of Latter-day Saints, the priests who have thanked God in their prayers and thanksgiving from the pulpit that we have been plundered, driven, and slain, and the deacons under the pulpit, and their brethren and sisters in their closets, who have thanked God, thinking that the Latter-day Saints were wasted away, something that no doubt will mortify them—something that, to say the least, is a matter of deep regret to them—namely, that no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are—I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent. He holds the keys of that kingdom for the last dispensation—the keys to rule in the spirit-world; and he rules there triumphantly, for he gained full power and a glorious victory over the power of Satan while he was yet in the flesh, and was a martyr to his religion and to the name of Christ, which gives him a most perfect victory in the spirit-world. He reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven. Many will exclaim—”Oh, that is very disagreeable! It is preposterous! We cannot bear the thought!” But it is true.
Note very carefully Brigham’s language in this statement. Does he teach that Joseph Smith is at least as important as Jesus Christ is? No, nor does even imply it.
You claim that “the Bible shows us that Jesus holds the keys” [with which I agree] but “Brigham Young said that Joseph Smith holds the keys.” According to Brigham, what keys does Joseph hold?
* “He holds the keys of this last dispensation.”
* “He holds the keys of that [the celestial] kingdom for the last dispensation.”
You claim that “in the words of Brigham Young, if you want to get into the part of the Kingdom where Jesus is—you must have the permission of Joseph Smith.”27 That depends on who the “you” is to whom you refer:
* “. . . no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith [specifically those who lived from] the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things . . .”
As I discussed at the beginning of this letter, Doug, context is everything. Once the doctrine of judgment being given to the saints is understood, Brigham’s statement falls right in line with scripture. You may not believe that Joseph Smith will be given the authority at the final judgment, but if you believe the Bible you certainly must believe that judgment will be given to Christ’s followers. Brigham Young is merely extending that doctrine to include Joseph Smith, whom Brigham accepted as a follower of Christ and a prophet to whom was given a dispensation of the gospel.
No Salvation Without Accepting Simon Peter. If Simon (son of Jona, called “Peter” by the Lord) was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth when he said that he stood in the presence of angels sent from the Lord (Acts 12:5-11), and obtained keys of authority (Matthew 16:18-19), and the commandment to organize the Church of Jesus Christ once again on the earth (Matthew 16:18; 28:18-20), then this knowledge is of the most vital importance to the entire world. No man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God. It is, therefore, the duty of every man to investigate that he may weigh this matter carefully and know the truth.
As I discussed above, the testimony of the prophets is critical to our belief in Christ. If Peter was an apostle of the Lord, then our faith in Christ rests partly in his witness, as described by himself in his epistles and by the authors of the Gospels. If we reject Peter’s testimony, we reject the Lord who said that Peter gained that testimony by revelation from the Father (Luke 10:16; Matthew 16:15-17).
Finally, you use Joseph Smith’s own words against himself:
God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil—all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet. You know my daily walk and conversation. I am in the bosom of a virtuous and good people. How I do love to hear the wolves howl! When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go. For the last three years I have a record of all my acts and proceedings, for I have kept several good, faithful, and efficient clerks in constant employ; they have accompanied me everywhere, and carefully kept my history, and they have written down what I have done, where I have been, and what I have said; therefore my enemies cannot charge me with any day, time, or place, but what I have written testimony to prove my actions; and my enemies cannot prove anything against me. They have got wonderful things in the land of Ham. I think the grand jury have strained at a gnat and swallowed the camel.
I will be first in line to admit that Joseph was perhaps getting a little worked up. But is it true? Is it possible that Joseph, in keeping the church together, had done a greater work than even Jesus Christ had? Jesus himself promised:
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. (John 14:12,)
Whether or not Joseph had done a greater work is a matter of opinion. Joseph seemed to believe it, and Jesus’ own words declare it could be done.
This does not mean that Joseph Smith is equal or superior to Jesus Christ! As I demonstrated earlier, we can only be saved through the holy name and atoning blood of Christ, the Only Begotten of the Father.
As has been demonstrated, Latter-day Saints from Joseph Smith to the present day worship and revere Jesus Christ as our Savior and Redeemer. We teach and preach that there is “no other way nor means whereby man can be saved” (Helaman 5:9). We witness that he is utterly incomparable in who He is and what He has accomplished.
In an attempt to prove otherwise you have abused your sources and have borne false witness against the Latter-day Saints.
Having dabbled with LDS about 20 years ago, I know all about Mormon missionaries. What I am curious about is why the church uses barely out-of-high school kids to teach Scripture...every missionary I met was ignorant of both religion and history.
If he’s only preaching, that wouldn’t be a problem because, after all, he IS a preacher. If he’s talking politics, yes, that could be a problem except that democrats do it all the time and nobody ever does anything about it.
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