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Compare and Contrast (FSSP vs. Jesuits)
WTPRS ^ | 1/17/2008 | Fr. Z.

Posted on 01/17/2008 12:11:34 PM PST by Pyro7480

I was sent these by e-mail from a reader

This is the FSSP in a gathering in 2006:


This is the 2008 General Congregation of Jesuits in Rome:

 



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This is just sad.
1 posted on 01/17/2008 12:11:38 PM PST by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; Desdemona; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 01/17/2008 12:12:12 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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I don’t get it. What’s different about the gatherings, aside from the Jesuits not wearing the black robes, and there being one black woman up front in their picture?

(No insult intended, I’m seriously curious. I’m Protestant and don’t even know who the FSSP are.)

}:-)4


3 posted on 01/17/2008 12:16:41 PM PST by Moose4 (Wasting away again in Michaelnifongville.)
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To: Pyro7480


Solid, orthodox Catholic priests





Business meeting at XYZ Corporation
4 posted on 01/17/2008 12:25:17 PM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: Moose4

I think the one you think is a black woman is really an East Asian man: Malaysian, maybe, or Bengali.

The FSSP is a traditionalist, Latin-using order, while the Jesuits symbolically represent Modernity.


5 posted on 01/17/2008 12:29:46 PM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: Tax-chick

Ack! You’re right, TC, I’m embarassed at misidentifying that man. And I’m on a nice 19” LCD monitor at work, not my piece of junk at home, so I can’t use that as an excuse!

Thanks for the info.

}:-)4


6 posted on 01/17/2008 12:31:02 PM PST by Moose4 (Wasting away again in Michaelnifongville.)
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To: Moose4
Overall, the FSSP (which is the Latin abbreviation for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter) is younger and they dress like the priests they are.

The Jesuits, on the other hand, show their "progressivist" tendencies by dressing in ordinary clothing and are older.

7 posted on 01/17/2008 12:31:22 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Moose4

No problem. My first thought was, “Who’s that lady?” too :-).


8 posted on 01/17/2008 12:32:29 PM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: Moose4
I don’t get it. What’s different about the gatherings, aside from the Jesuits not wearing the black robes, and there being one black woman up front in their picture?

Well, the major difference is that the Jesuit conference could be easily mistaken for an AARP meeting.
9 posted on 01/17/2008 12:32:33 PM PST by Antoninus ("Make all the promises you have to." --Mitt Romney)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
Business meeting at XYZ Corporation

Not quite. At a business meeting most, if not all, of the attendees would be in suits and ties. I don't see a single necktie, let alone a clerical collar on anybody in that photo.

10 posted on 01/17/2008 12:34:52 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Moose4
FSSP =Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, a society of priests outstanding for their loyalty to the Pope and to the faith and morals of the Church. They're mostly young, and they look like priests.

Jesuits = Society of Jesus, an order of priests founded in the 16th century, once outstanding for their loyalty to the Pope, but recently ---meh--- not so much. They're mostly old, not a cross in sight nor any other symbol of the clerical state, and they look like the Rotary Club ("Not that there's anything wrong with that.")

It reminds me of a picture I saw of Fr. Hans Kung chatting with some lady at the World Council of Churches. He looked like a bank manager or Creflo Dollar or something; and she, of course, was in clericals. Thanks for asking.

11 posted on 01/17/2008 12:45:21 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: Moose4

Besides the dress difference, the age difference is really striking.

Look at all the orthodox orders and they are all well represented by the young.FSSP, LOC, etc. all have a ton of young preists and young seminarians and those that are further from Rome have a bunch of old soon to be has beens.

I wish the Jesuits would return to their founder’s vision, it would be great for the church.


12 posted on 01/17/2008 12:57:28 PM PST by CTK YKC
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To: Pyro7480

My goodness, what a contrast! I’m surprised that there isn’t anyone in the Jesuits who fells that clerics should wear clerical garb. Surely there are some good Jesuits out there, some Cardinal Dulles, Father Fessio, Mitch Pacwa Jesuits?


13 posted on 01/17/2008 1:00:28 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Convert from ECUSA
The only mercy is that the Jesuits (with a couple of exceptions but only a couple) look like a retirement home, while there are plenty of young energetic looking fellows in the F.S.S.P.

We have an F.S.S.P. parish here. They are great! When Summorum Pontificum was coming out, their rector did what my husband calls the "Travelling Latin Mass Medicine Show" . . . at the Archbishop's invitation, he brought his altar servers, deacons and Schola to various parishes and the Cathedral, just to show the younger faithful what a Latin Mass looks like.

They seem to have been interested, because the crowds kept increasing. The Mass at the Cathedral was S.Rp

14 posted on 01/17/2008 1:25:42 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother
That's not some weird ecclesiastical abbrevation.

I meant to say S.R.O. and my keyboard slipped . . . < g >

15 posted on 01/17/2008 1:30:38 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Moose4
and there being one black woman up front in their picture?

That's not a woman.

That's part of the problem.

16 posted on 01/17/2008 2:53:25 PM PST by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Tax-chick

Even if that person was female, we should paraphrase Frank Sinatra and say: That was no lady, that was a Jesuit.


17 posted on 01/17/2008 3:26:00 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

LOL! Always a pleasure to cross paths with you, BlackElk!


18 posted on 01/17/2008 3:28:13 PM PST by Tax-chick ("How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable His ways!")
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To: AnAmericanMother

The closest FSSP parish to me is Chesapeake, VA (Norfolk, VA) which is about 180 miles or so southeast of where I live in Arlington (DC Metro area). I’ve contributed regularly to them. While I still like the parish I’ve been attending since 9/2003, I miss the wonderful Irish dreadnought pastor who brought me into the Church. I’d love to have an FSSP chapel/parish in Arlington or Fairfax counties in VA.


19 posted on 01/18/2008 4:28:05 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: BlackElk
"That was no lady, that was a Jesuit."

ROFL! Excellent!
20 posted on 01/18/2008 4:28:55 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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