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1 posted on 12/28/2007 9:27:53 AM PST by restornu
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Should be interesting read!


2 posted on 12/28/2007 9:28:27 AM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: restornu
First, we use translations, not the original tongues

Not to mention words have changed meanings over the last 2000 years.

3 posted on 12/28/2007 9:32:30 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: restornu

The author is mistaking the Masoretic Text, a 4th-century publication with the actual bible.

Following the death of Christ and the destruction of the Temple, the Jews held a council at Jamnia to decide why God would unleash such horrific punishments apon the Jews as they were then suffering. They decided that Jesus had exposed the dangers of Hellenistic thought creeping into Judaism, so to obliterate any traces of what they considered the heresies which led to Jesus, they removed the portions of the bible which most directly pointed to Jesus.

But the real Old Testament did consist of the three parts mentioned. The three parts are referred to as the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings. And among the Writings existed the books which the Jews expunged.


5 posted on 12/28/2007 9:47:28 AM PST by dangus
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To: restornu

This article is less a “revelation” of the Bible as it is an exercise in post-Christian Jewish numerology combined with a rather extensive assortment of historical errors, half-truths and inaccuracies. Thanks anyway.


8 posted on 12/28/2007 10:38:16 AM PST by magisterium
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To: restornu

Most of Paul’s epistles were actually written prior to the Gospels, and Luke is the author of Acts.

Many religious scholars believe that John is a somewhat inauthentic Gospel with little or no actual words of Jesus.

Also, other Gospels were excluded, likely in order to make the theology what the authorities wanted it to be.


10 posted on 12/28/2007 11:29:37 AM PST by TBP
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To: restornu
First, we use translations, not the original tongues

And even those were in part translated, as Jesus and his disciples spoke Aramaic, not Hebrew or Greek.

11 posted on 12/28/2007 11:30:58 AM PST by TBP
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To: restornu
Ma thew was a Jew, and his gospel was written under the supervision of James who was the Head of the Church (also the brother of Jesus). Mark was an assistant of Peter who was second to James in rank.

James was the head of the Church in Jerusalem. And what evidence is there that Peter ranked below him? That's exactly the opposite of history.

And I think modern scholarship about Markan priority actually supports that. Mark writes Peter's teaching, and then Matthew or one of his disciples...who it will be remembered already had a collection of sayings (logia) of Christ...then adds the teaching of Peter in Mark's Gospel to his own testimony, thus producing what we know as the Gospel of Matthew.

12 posted on 12/28/2007 11:39:47 AM PST by Claud
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Later on, the Church tried to rectify this by adding 11 apocryphal books to make the total number 77, but later this number has been reduced to 66 books as we find in present day Bibles that contain the Apocrypha. These added books are not as divinely inspired as the canonized books, hence should not be added to the Bible to make it look divine.

This is sheer foolishness. The "added" books were in the Septuagint, they were in Jerome's Vulgate, they were widely considered canonical both before and after the 5 century councils which settled the canon of the NT (all of which agreed on the "apocrypha").

And there aren't 11 such books, there are 7, making the total 73, not 77.

If the author can't get trivial facts like these right, why should we trust him anywhere else?

13 posted on 12/28/2007 11:41:10 AM PST by Campion
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To: restornu

Let’s play “pin the tail on the heterodoxy”, Google on names and buzzwords and try to figure out where this guy is coming from.


15 posted on 12/28/2007 12:24:02 PM PST by Lee N. Field (We are like grass.)
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To: restornu
Ferrer Fenton only read the New Testament in Greek for forty years before he translated it. He wanted to have a feel for that language. He had a different opinion on how the NT should be arranged. So in his translation the books are arranged a wee bit different.

Before he translated the OT...he read it in the language it was written in for a number of years before he translated it. He grasp with an understanding those languages...which I think makes for a great translation.

17 posted on 12/28/2007 1:27:47 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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Book-mark for later reading (bmflr).


23 posted on 12/28/2007 6:14:03 PM PST by Joya (Hark! the herald angels sing, Glory to the newborn king. Peace on earth and mercy mild ...)
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To: restornu

Hey, I want to thank you for getting the CATHOLICS in on defending the Scripture. This is going to be fun...


26 posted on 12/28/2007 7:35:05 PM PST by Ottofire (For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God)
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To: restornu

I’d be interested in the writer’s evidence that Hebrews was written by Timothy. It’s something that has always puzzled me. The King James attributes it to Paul, but later translations don’t identify an author.

In English it sounds like something Paul could have written, but one of my pastors once told me a major reason it is no longer attributed to Paul is that the style of writing in the original Greek is very different from the Pauline epistles.


27 posted on 12/29/2007 12:25:13 AM PST by kaehurowing
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35 posted on 12/31/2007 10:02:20 PM PST by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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