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The Original Bible Revealed!
York Publishing Company ^ | December 7, 2005

Posted on 12/28/2007 9:27:50 AM PST by restornu

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1 posted on 12/28/2007 9:27:53 AM PST by restornu
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Should be interesting read!


2 posted on 12/28/2007 9:28:27 AM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: restornu
First, we use translations, not the original tongues

Not to mention words have changed meanings over the last 2000 years.

3 posted on 12/28/2007 9:32:30 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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Other than changing the order, I don’t see the point. The author is counting the Minor Prophets as one book instead of twelve, and lumping together Joshua and Judges, and I/II Samuel and I/II Kings, into one book. If the content of the writings aren’t changed, then that all just seems like formatting and semantics IMO. But I don’t pretend to be a scholar, I just read the Word and try (sometimes even successfully!) to follow it.

}:-)4


4 posted on 12/28/2007 9:47:10 AM PST by Moose4 (Wasting away again in Michaelnifongville.)
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To: restornu

The author is mistaking the Masoretic Text, a 4th-century publication with the actual bible.

Following the death of Christ and the destruction of the Temple, the Jews held a council at Jamnia to decide why God would unleash such horrific punishments apon the Jews as they were then suffering. They decided that Jesus had exposed the dangers of Hellenistic thought creeping into Judaism, so to obliterate any traces of what they considered the heresies which led to Jesus, they removed the portions of the bible which most directly pointed to Jesus.

But the real Old Testament did consist of the three parts mentioned. The three parts are referred to as the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings. And among the Writings existed the books which the Jews expunged.


5 posted on 12/28/2007 9:47:28 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

Interesting note: because the Pharisees didn’t consider the Writings on an even level with the Prophets and the Law, Jesus rarely quotes any of the Writings. The one exception was the Book of Psalms, which is the most quoted passage, and which may have been considered one of the Books of the Prophets.


6 posted on 12/28/2007 9:52:49 AM PST by dangus
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To: Moose4
On Christmas eve I was pondering on the prophecies that the Magi used to know about the star and why they followed it to bethlehem and what it meant. Those writings are not included in the Old Testament. The Numbers 24:17 reference is just not sufficient and is too vague to fit the bill.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm...

Plus, There are many sacred writings mentioned in the scriptures that we do not have today, among which are these books and writers:

Ex. 24: 7 took the book of the covenant.
Num. 21: 14 book of the wars of the Lord.
Josh. 10: 13 (2 Sam. 1: 18) book of Jasher.
1 Sam. 10: 25 Samuel . . . wrote it in a book.
1 Kgs. 11: 41 book of the acts of Solomon.
1 Chr. 29: 29 book of Samuel the seer.
2 Chr. 9: 29 book of Nathan the prophet.
2 Chr. 12: 15 book of Shemaiah the prophet.
2 Chr. 13: 22 acts of Abijah . . . in the story of the prophet Iddo.
2 Chr. 20: 34 book of Jehu.
2 Chr. 33: 19 written among the sayings of the seers.
Matt. 2: 23 spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.
1 Cor. 5: 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle.
Eph. 3: 3 as I wrote afore in few words.
Col. 4: 16 read the epistle from Laodicea.
Jude 1: 3 when I gave all diligence to write unto you.
Jude 1: 14 Enoch also . . . prophesied of these.

Some day, I know all things will be revealed by God.

7 posted on 12/28/2007 10:31:45 AM PST by sevenbak (Wise men still seek Him.)
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To: restornu

This article is less a “revelation” of the Bible as it is an exercise in post-Christian Jewish numerology combined with a rather extensive assortment of historical errors, half-truths and inaccuracies. Thanks anyway.


8 posted on 12/28/2007 10:38:16 AM PST by magisterium
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To: magisterium

right on.


9 posted on 12/28/2007 10:44:17 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: restornu

Most of Paul’s epistles were actually written prior to the Gospels, and Luke is the author of Acts.

Many religious scholars believe that John is a somewhat inauthentic Gospel with little or no actual words of Jesus.

Also, other Gospels were excluded, likely in order to make the theology what the authorities wanted it to be.


10 posted on 12/28/2007 11:29:37 AM PST by TBP
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To: restornu
First, we use translations, not the original tongues

And even those were in part translated, as Jesus and his disciples spoke Aramaic, not Hebrew or Greek.

11 posted on 12/28/2007 11:30:58 AM PST by TBP
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To: restornu
Ma thew was a Jew, and his gospel was written under the supervision of James who was the Head of the Church (also the brother of Jesus). Mark was an assistant of Peter who was second to James in rank.

James was the head of the Church in Jerusalem. And what evidence is there that Peter ranked below him? That's exactly the opposite of history.

And I think modern scholarship about Markan priority actually supports that. Mark writes Peter's teaching, and then Matthew or one of his disciples...who it will be remembered already had a collection of sayings (logia) of Christ...then adds the teaching of Peter in Mark's Gospel to his own testimony, thus producing what we know as the Gospel of Matthew.

12 posted on 12/28/2007 11:39:47 AM PST by Claud
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To: restornu
Later on, the Church tried to rectify this by adding 11 apocryphal books to make the total number 77, but later this number has been reduced to 66 books as we find in present day Bibles that contain the Apocrypha. These added books are not as divinely inspired as the canonized books, hence should not be added to the Bible to make it look divine.

This is sheer foolishness. The "added" books were in the Septuagint, they were in Jerome's Vulgate, they were widely considered canonical both before and after the 5 century councils which settled the canon of the NT (all of which agreed on the "apocrypha").

And there aren't 11 such books, there are 7, making the total 73, not 77.

If the author can't get trivial facts like these right, why should we trust him anywhere else?

13 posted on 12/28/2007 11:41:10 AM PST by Campion
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To: TBP
Many religious scholars believe that John is a somewhat inauthentic Gospel with little or no actual words of Jesus.

They are silly, silly people. On what evidence do they make such a claim...other than John espouses a theology they don't particularly like?

Also, other Gospels were excluded, likely in order to make the theology what the authorities wanted it to be.

Those "other Gospels" of which you speak are late. I don't believe a single one was written in the 1st century--and some were composed in the 3rd or 4th. So I find it a little odd that some of the same scholars who are always clamoring about how the earliest writings are the most reliable, are nevertheless the first to prefer the Gnostic writings over Paul and the Synoptics.

Here's a different interpretation. The four evangelists were either Apostles or companions of the Apostles who actually went around with Jesus and knew what they were talking about. The later writers, with no connection to the people who were there, made stuff up that fit their particular Gnostic theology but which twisted what actually happened.

Again, if scholars want to be consistent on this, then it's precisely the Synoptics and Paul that should give more weight than, say, the Gospel of Judas and all that other nonsense.

14 posted on 12/28/2007 11:50:56 AM PST by Claud
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To: restornu

Let’s play “pin the tail on the heterodoxy”, Google on names and buzzwords and try to figure out where this guy is coming from.


15 posted on 12/28/2007 12:24:02 PM PST by Lee N. Field (We are like grass.)
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To: Lee N. Field

I’ll play. IN addition to kooky conspiracies about 911 and the Iraq war, I found this on the link provided on his wikipedia entry:

We believe in:

The validity of the Bible

Universal Reconciliation

The Family of God

Biblical End-Time Prophecy

The Second Coming of Christ

The establishment of the Kingdom of God on this earth

Education on all subjects

We do not believe in:

The doctrine of the Trinity

The Immortality of the Soul (heaven and hell)

Traditional Christian Holy Days and Holidays

Tithing

Political activism

Participation in the military

I’ll take Armstrongism split off for 500, Alex.


16 posted on 12/28/2007 1:12:49 PM PST by Augustinian monk
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To: restornu
Ferrer Fenton only read the New Testament in Greek for forty years before he translated it. He wanted to have a feel for that language. He had a different opinion on how the NT should be arranged. So in his translation the books are arranged a wee bit different.

Before he translated the OT...he read it in the language it was written in for a number of years before he translated it. He grasp with an understanding those languages...which I think makes for a great translation.

17 posted on 12/28/2007 1:27:47 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Claud
The four evangelists were either Apostles or companions of the Apostles who actually went around with Jesus and knew what they were talking about.

Which, of course, it's been well established that they were not.

18 posted on 12/28/2007 1:55:25 PM PST by TBP
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To: dangus

Excellent very few recongized the influence the Hellenist had and corrupted many sacred things of the Lord.


19 posted on 12/28/2007 2:38:27 PM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: Claud

I would ponder that again about using the word rank when all of the prophet and apostles are to one in mind with the Lord!


20 posted on 12/28/2007 2:48:45 PM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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