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To: GoLightly

“I see your point, but wonder about the Eastern response to communism’s rise to power in the USSR. The Church survived underground, but it didn’t prevent Russians from taking up arms on behalf of their nation.”

I doubt we can ever know how many, if any, wars the Orthodox Church has prevented. Human beings go to war whether they are Orthodox or Latin or Reformed or Hindus or Mohammedans, etc. We shouldn’t be surprised if men war with each other. That’s reality. We however should never believe, much less teach, that war is not always sinful.

“What does the Orthodox Church teach about the Church’s power to bind & loose sin?”

That’s sort of a broad subject. In a nutshell, Orthodoxy teaches what Rome teaches but there’s more to it than that.

“I’m again reminded of the urban legend about young Catholic girls having abortions, because an abortion would only be one sin, whereas, there’s no way to repent if she’s committing an ever growing number of sins by taking birth control pills.”

I don’t doubt that’s a legend, however, it speaks volumes about the position the Latin Church has placed at least some of its people in.


111 posted on 12/30/2007 9:29:02 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Since you changed around the order of portions of my response to you, I don't think you saw some of the connections that I was trying to make.

I doubt we can ever know how many, if any, wars the Orthodox Church has prevented.

I'm sure the Orthodox Church prevented some, possibly more than the Western Church, though as I said, it's the kind of history that rarely gets told. Rome had a real knack for siding with stronger princes against the weaker ones in disputes, so "prevention of war between Catholic brothers" on Her part wasn't (IMO) always entirely altruistic.

Human beings go to war whether they are Orthodox or Latin or Reformed or Hindus or Mohammedans, etc. We shouldn’t be surprised if men war with each other. That’s reality.

This is true. On a smaller scale, it could be said that police are in a constant state of "war".

We however should never believe, much less teach, that war is not always sinful.

Sin of commission isn't the only kind of sin. Evil can also thrive due to sins of omission.

My reason for bringing up the abortion, birth control thing.... The EO position on war almost seems like it's okay to willfully sin, with an expectation of asking for & receiving absolution later. Those who survive battle have a better chance of forgiveness than those who've died in battle?

Me: “What does the Orthodox Church teach about the Church’s power to bind & loose sin?”

That’s sort of a broad subject.

Indeed it is. The Holy Spirit leads & guides the Church, preventing it from making grave errors. If a church is teaching it's flock that it is incapable of error & the flock managed to follow the church's teaching to the letter, think this imaginary flock would be without any grave sin?

In a nutshell, Orthodoxy teaches what Rome teaches but there’s more to it than that.

What does Orthodoxy teach in respect to its own infallibility?

I don’t doubt that’s a legend, however, it speaks volumes about the position the Latin Church has placed at least some of its people in.

It reminds me a great deal of the penance required of some of the lapsi. Seven years on the doorstep of the church is a very long time & I wonder how many gave up before their time was fully served.

112 posted on 12/30/2007 11:20:26 AM PST by GoLightly
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