Posted on 12/11/2007 6:48:50 AM PST by NYer
Ping
It has taken forty years, but the reform is now finally beginning.
It is good to know exactly who in the Vatican has been develping these disasterous changes in the Liturgy - I’ve heard about Archbishop Bugnini, but not Archbishop Marini. Thank you for posting this.
Sounds like the makings of a rollicking children's adventure movie Chris Weitz could make: The Golden Cope...The Magisterium Strikes Back.
The truth is starting to leak out, isn’t it?
I have truly hated and distrusted the word "dynamic" for years now . . .
Thus speaks one who is mad because he lost control.
revisionist history.
“Thus speaks one who is mad because he lost control.”
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Spot on, Petrosius! And now we have to listen to the “SOUR GRAPES GOSPEL!”
Marini is a snake in the grass.
Thank goodness neither of these 2 men were made cardinals and it was said that Bugnini was a Freemason.
I have also read stories and reports to the effect that Bugnini may have been a Freemason.
However, whether Bugnini was a Freemason or not, he nevertheless seemed to advocate the “Brave New Church” mode of worship.
Although I can’t remember where, I also recall reading something many years ago to the effect that it was Cardinal Ottaviani’s forceful intervention at one point that prevented the papal “rubber-stamping” of certain changes that might have rendered the Mass outright heretical.
Even at the time, the story seemed a little far-fetched to me since, as a Catholic, it has always been my belief that the Holy Spirit preserves the Holy Father from teaching error “ex cathedra” in matters of faith and morals.
Does anyone have any reliable information on the origin of the story of the so-called “Ottaviani intervention?”
I am pinging Pyro who has a better grasp of history. As for attempts to modernize the Church, we can thank Archbishop Jean Jadot, for many of the reprobate bishop's that have introduced liturgical abuses over the past 30 years.
When the website describes a"dynamic" or "vibrant" "parish community" ... just keep on lookin' ....
I hadn’t seen the Ottaviani Intervention before. Devastating, isn’t it? And in 1969 . . .
Thank you very much, Pyro. At least this shows that the “Ottaviani Intervention” was not a myth.
It would appear, moreover, that some of the things Cardinal Ottaviani was saying were similar to what Pope Benedict XVI was saying just prior to his issuing of the Motu Proprio regarding the restoration of the Tridentine Mass.
I have doing a little more snooping around and here is an interesting article I found on the “Ottaviani Intervention.”
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,829504-1,00.html
I hadn’t seen the Ottaviani Intervention before. Devastating, isn’t it? And in 1969 . . .
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Exactly!
Not only that, but Marini was probably referring precisely to the “Ottaviani Intervention” when he reportedly lamented in his book:
“Two Curia cardinals wrote to the pope and said the reforms showed an “alarming divergence” from Catholic theology.”
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0707019.htm
In the excerpt, no names are named. Hmmmm... Wonder if Marini mentions Ottaviani by name anywhere at all in his book? If not, it is probably because it galls him to have to admit that Cardinal Ottaviani was spot on in his assessment of the New Mass in 1969 and is still spot on about it in 2007......albeit posthumously! :)
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