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1 posted on 12/11/2007 6:48:52 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 12/11/2007 6:49:13 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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His Excellency misunderstands.

It has taken forty years, but the reform is now finally beginning.

3 posted on 12/11/2007 6:56:38 AM PST by B Knotts (Tancredo '08!)
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It is good to know exactly who in the Vatican has been develping these disasterous changes in the Liturgy - I’ve heard about Archbishop Bugnini, but not Archbishop Marini. Thank you for posting this.


4 posted on 12/11/2007 7:00:00 AM PST by Ken522
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In 1969, the consilium was transformed into the Congregation for Divine Worship. Just six years later, the worship congregation was disbanded under growing criticism from other Vatican offices.

Sounds like the makings of a rollicking children's adventure movie Chris Weitz could make: The Golden Cope...The Magisterium Strikes Back.

5 posted on 12/11/2007 7:35:54 AM PST by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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a decentralized and dynamic reform movement

I have truly hated and distrusted the word "dynamic" for years now . . .

7 posted on 12/11/2007 8:25:36 AM PST by maryz
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Archbishop Marini recounted the rise of a decentralized and dynamic reform movement in the 1960s and its "curialization" in the 1970s by Vatican officials afraid of losing control.

Thus speaks one who is mad because he lost control.

8 posted on 12/11/2007 9:53:32 AM PST by Petrosius
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revisionist history.


9 posted on 12/11/2007 9:57:31 AM PST by WriteOn (Truth)
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Marini is a snake in the grass.


11 posted on 12/12/2007 3:52:54 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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Thank goodness neither of these 2 men were made cardinals and it was said that Bugnini was a Freemason.


12 posted on 12/12/2007 5:24:11 AM PST by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^=)
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I have also read stories and reports to the effect that Bugnini may have been a Freemason.

However, whether Bugnini was a Freemason or not, he nevertheless seemed to advocate the “Brave New Church” mode of worship.

Although I can’t remember where, I also recall reading something many years ago to the effect that it was Cardinal Ottaviani’s forceful intervention at one point that prevented the papal “rubber-stamping” of certain changes that might have rendered the Mass outright heretical.

Even at the time, the story seemed a little far-fetched to me since, as a Catholic, it has always been my belief that the Holy Spirit preserves the Holy Father from teaching error “ex cathedra” in matters of faith and morals.

Does anyone have any reliable information on the origin of the story of the so-called “Ottaviani intervention?”


13 posted on 12/12/2007 9:29:55 AM PST by Sons of Union Vets (No taxation without representation!)
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