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Police Name Shooter [gunman at New Life Church in Colorado identified]
MyFox Colorado ^ | 12/10/2007

Posted on 12/10/2007 11:52:02 AM PST by Alex Murphy

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To: claudiustg

I’m waiting for the myspace page of this guy.

We will know, then.


21 posted on 12/10/2007 12:34:33 PM PST by Mr. Jazzy (Very Proud Dad of LCpl Smoothguy242 USMC of 1/3 Marines, back in the U.S.A.!!!)
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To: Alex Murphy

I tend to believe the Arvida police rather than the Colorado Springs cops. (Arvida says probably linked, CS says random).


22 posted on 12/10/2007 12:46:11 PM PST by PAR35
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To: P8riot
I don't know many churches that have armed security, except maybe the Vatican, and some offshoot cults.

The pastor approved the added security after the first church shooting the day before.

The "increased security" consisted of an armed parishioner volunteer, using her own gun.

That was enough, almost. Way way way better than not having her there.

23 posted on 12/10/2007 12:48:21 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Jeff Head

Big Government Liberals prefer unarmed citizens, especially ones who like religion.

24 posted on 12/10/2007 12:51:11 PM PST by Loud Mime (The Democrats made people believe that govt. lawyers are victims, whatta country!)
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marked to read later


25 posted on 12/10/2007 12:57:51 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: bonfire

Not odd at all. About a year ago, my small church had a weekend seminar with a nationally known writer who had some not too nice (but true)things thigs to say about redical Islam. One of the church elders asked me if would stand out back to keep an eye on things. He asked if I had any protection. I asked if he could see the lump on the inside of my left ankle?


26 posted on 12/10/2007 12:58:44 PM PST by cyclotic (Support Scouting-Raising boys to be men, and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: the808bass

At this point they won’t even confirm it was the same shooter.

I hope there isn’t a rampage shooter on the loose.

It is like when there is a rampage shooting and perp is dead and the reporters declare “the suspect is dead”. I hope they got the right guy.


27 posted on 12/10/2007 1:00:34 PM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: livius
I'm still betting on Muslim convert .... because of the beard and the skullcap,

Clearly you've never known a lot of college guys. Most guys I knew in college grew a beard at least at one point in their college careers - myself included.

28 posted on 12/10/2007 1:01:07 PM PST by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: trumandogz

There have been a number of Americans convicted this year of the crime of training overseas with Al Qaeda and returning to the States.

American terrorists exist.


29 posted on 12/10/2007 1:03:07 PM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: dangus
Besides, I only know of one Christian who routinely wears a skull cap, and I’m sure Pope Benedict’s got an alibi.

My point was that we're pretty early in the story to be deciding what the media's bias is doing to the story. From early reports, this is a kid raised as a homeschooled Christian who went berserk. I don't think all the Freepers who were questioning whether it was a Muslim or not or whether it was a hate crime against Christians are going to now want the background of the shooter played up.

30 posted on 12/10/2007 1:15:11 PM PST by the808bass
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To: the808bass

They told us that Charles Bishop was a young conservative and that his death was not meant to be a symbolic terrorist attack even though they knew otherwise from the suicide note he left behind.

It doesn’t mean that every rampage is antiChristian rage or a jihadist. It also doesn’t mean that the authorities are truthful in these cases, at least in the first couple of months.


31 posted on 12/10/2007 2:14:15 PM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: weegee
It also doesn’t mean that the authorities are truthful in these cases, at least in the first couple of months.

Yes, but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably not a tiger. YWAM is now saying that Murray served in some capacity with them.

32 posted on 12/10/2007 2:18:47 PM PST by the808bass
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To: Jeff Head
Preaching too the Choir brother Jeff !

MSM NEEDS TO LISTEN AND REPORT THIS FACT !

Stay safe !

33 posted on 12/10/2007 3:20:08 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Alex Murphy
Colorado Springs Police identified the gunman as 24-year-old Matthew J. Murray of Englewood, who was shot and killed by a member of the church's armed security staff.

He said the security guard was a volunteer but he did not release her name.

Volunteer armed security guard?

Armed citizen PING!

34 posted on 12/10/2007 3:46:53 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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To: P8riot
I don't know many churches that have armed security, except maybe the Vatican, and some offshoot cults.

This is a question that comes up frequently in other online fora that I watch.

It happens more often that you think. Often informally.

35 posted on 12/10/2007 3:50:37 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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To: Lee N. Field

The name of the guard has been released, but more powerful than her name...

At about that moment, a female guard with a drawn handgun turned a corner and walked toward the gunman and yelled “Surrender!” Bourbonnais said.

The gunman pointed a handgun at the woman and fired three shots, Bourbonnais said. She returned fire and just kept walking toward the gunman pressing off round after round.

The female guard fired off about a dozen shots.

After the gunman went down, Bourbonnais asked the woman, who has only been identified as a volunteer security guard with the church, how she remained so calm and focused.

Bourbonnais said she replied:

“I was asking the Holy Spirit to guide me the entire time.”

More details here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937459/posts?page=402#402


36 posted on 12/10/2007 4:53:46 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: weegee

Read some article that carried the headline that he hated Christians. Sounded like he’s an ex-Christian with a lot of rage against his former affiliations.


37 posted on 12/10/2007 4:57:41 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Lee N. Field
Well, technically here in Virginia it is illegal to carry during a worship service without a good and sufficient reason. The law however does not define what constitutes "good and sufficient". Interestingly enough carry is OK at other church functions even on church property. I was speaking with my pastor and a few of the elders about it a few years ago and they mentioned that they wouldn't have a problem if someone licensed to carry, chose to do so even during worship.

Personally my definition of "good and sufficient" means "whenever I am awake".

38 posted on 12/10/2007 6:42:16 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Lee N. Field

Just guessing. You’re PCA too, aren’t you?


39 posted on 12/10/2007 6:45:24 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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