Posted on 12/10/2007 11:52:02 AM PST by Alex Murphy
I’m waiting for the myspace page of this guy.
We will know, then.
I tend to believe the Arvida police rather than the Colorado Springs cops. (Arvida says probably linked, CS says random).
The pastor approved the added security after the first church shooting the day before.
The "increased security" consisted of an armed parishioner volunteer, using her own gun.
That was enough, almost. Way way way better than not having her there.
Big Government Liberals prefer unarmed citizens, especially ones who like religion.
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Not odd at all. About a year ago, my small church had a weekend seminar with a nationally known writer who had some not too nice (but true)things thigs to say about redical Islam. One of the church elders asked me if would stand out back to keep an eye on things. He asked if I had any protection. I asked if he could see the lump on the inside of my left ankle?
At this point they won’t even confirm it was the same shooter.
I hope there isn’t a rampage shooter on the loose.
It is like when there is a rampage shooting and perp is dead and the reporters declare “the suspect is dead”. I hope they got the right guy.
Clearly you've never known a lot of college guys. Most guys I knew in college grew a beard at least at one point in their college careers - myself included.
There have been a number of Americans convicted this year of the crime of training overseas with Al Qaeda and returning to the States.
American terrorists exist.
My point was that we're pretty early in the story to be deciding what the media's bias is doing to the story. From early reports, this is a kid raised as a homeschooled Christian who went berserk. I don't think all the Freepers who were questioning whether it was a Muslim or not or whether it was a hate crime against Christians are going to now want the background of the shooter played up.
They told us that Charles Bishop was a young conservative and that his death was not meant to be a symbolic terrorist attack even though they knew otherwise from the suicide note he left behind.
It doesn’t mean that every rampage is antiChristian rage or a jihadist. It also doesn’t mean that the authorities are truthful in these cases, at least in the first couple of months.
Yes, but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably not a tiger. YWAM is now saying that Murray served in some capacity with them.
Stay safe !
Colorado Springs Police identified the gunman as 24-year-old Matthew J. Murray of Englewood, who was shot and killed by a member of the church's armed security staff.He said the security guard was a volunteer but he did not release her name.
Volunteer armed security guard?
Armed citizen PING!
I don't know many churches that have armed security, except maybe the Vatican, and some offshoot cults.
This is a question that comes up frequently in other online fora that I watch.
It happens more often that you think. Often informally.
The name of the guard has been released, but more powerful than her name...
At about that moment, a female guard with a drawn handgun turned a corner and walked toward the gunman and yelled “Surrender!” Bourbonnais said.
The gunman pointed a handgun at the woman and fired three shots, Bourbonnais said. She returned fire and just kept walking toward the gunman pressing off round after round.
The female guard fired off about a dozen shots.
After the gunman went down, Bourbonnais asked the woman, who has only been identified as a volunteer security guard with the church, how she remained so calm and focused.
Bourbonnais said she replied:
“I was asking the Holy Spirit to guide me the entire time.”
More details here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937459/posts?page=402#402
Read some article that carried the headline that he hated Christians. Sounded like he’s an ex-Christian with a lot of rage against his former affiliations.
Personally my definition of "good and sufficient" means "whenever I am awake".
Just guessing. You’re PCA too, aren’t you?
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