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Bah, Hanukkah--the holiday celebrates the triumph of tribal Jewish backwardness.
Slate ^ | 12/03/'07 | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 12/04/2007 1:01:29 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator

And so we have a semiofficial celebration of Hanukkah, complete with menorah, to celebrate not the ignition of a light but the imposition of theocratic darkness.

Jewish orthodoxy possesses the interesting feature of naming and combating the idea of the apikoros or "Epicurean"—the intellectual renegade who prefers Athens to Jerusalem and the schools of philosophy to the grim old routines of the Torah. About a century and a half before the alleged birth of the supposed Jesus of Nazareth (another event that receives semiofficial recognition at this time of the year), the Greek or Epicurean style had begun to gain immense ground among the Jews of Syria and Palestine. The Seleucid Empire, an inheritance of Alexander the Great—Alexander still being a popular name among Jews—had weaned many people away from the sacrifices, the circumcisions, the belief in a special relationship with God, and the other reactionary manifestations of an ancient and cruel faith.

This is childish stuff and if only for that reason should obviously not receive any public endorsement or financing. The display of the menorah at this season, however, has a precise meaning and is an explicit celebration of the original victory of bloody-minded faith over enlightenment and reason. As such it is a direct negation of the First Amendment and it is time for the secularists and the civil libertarians to find the courage to say so.

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; History; Judaism
KEYWORDS: atheists; chanukkah; hanukkah; hellenists; mityavvnim; moron
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This is childish stuff and if only for that reason should obviously not receive any public endorsement or financing. The display of the menorah at this season, however, has a precise meaning and is an explicit celebration of the original victory of bloody-minded faith over enlightenment and reason. As such it is a direct negation of the First Amendment and it is time for the secularists and the civil libertarians to find the courage to say so.

An atheist actually understands the meaning of Chanukkah better than many religious Jews do, since the latter often confuse the Chashmonaims fight for Torah with an enlightenment/rationalist fight for abstract religious freedom.

I'm still trying to figure out why an "Epicurean" wants to waste time engaging in social/political crusades!

Thanks, NeoCaveman!

1 posted on 12/04/2007 1:01:31 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator
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To: NeoCaveman

Thanks for the heads-up!


2 posted on 12/04/2007 1:02:28 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer Par`oh 'el-`avadayv; "Hanimtza' khazeh, 'ish 'asher ruach 'Eloqim bo?")
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To: Alouette; SJackson

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3 posted on 12/04/2007 1:04:47 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: Zionist Conspirator
keep daring people to prove that God is real, Hitchens. Like alogore daring people to prove that global warming isn't real. me, me, me! Look at me!
4 posted on 12/04/2007 1:06:47 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (hillary clinton is vladimir putin in drag.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Thanks for the heads-up!

You are welcome.

In some unintential way Hitchens taught me something about the importance of Hanukkah.

Not that that was what he was going for.

5 posted on 12/04/2007 1:11:32 PM PST by NeoCaveman ("On illegal immigration, Huckabee makes George Bush sound like Tom Tancredo." - Ann Coulter)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I'm still trying to figure out why an "Epicurean" wants to waste time engaging in social/political crusades!

Some chicks dig social crusaders. Not everybody can be rich or handsome.

6 posted on 12/04/2007 1:16:47 PM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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7 posted on 12/04/2007 1:17:25 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: Greg F

Oh, wait this is Hitchens. Forget the chicks crack. : )


8 posted on 12/04/2007 1:18:14 PM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: NeoCaveman
Thanks for the heads-up!

You are welcome.

In some unintential way Hitchens taught me something about the importance of Hanukkah.

Not that that was what he was going for.

What a shame that you'll never hear this from any of the official community Chanukkah celebrations or TV specials, which are still celebrating the right of pagans and polytheists to defy those awful Southern Baptist bullies. Oh well, receive a lesson from whoever gives it!

I'm still trying to figure out why the alleged discovery that the universe is totally meaningless qualifies as "enlightenment."

9 posted on 12/04/2007 1:18:22 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer Par`oh 'el-`avadayv; "Hanimtza' khazeh, 'ish 'asher ruach 'Eloqim bo?")
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10 posted on 12/04/2007 1:23:08 PM PST by SJackson (I really wish the Jews in Judea an independent nation, John Adams)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Gosh, what does he have to say about Muslim religions then, if the festival of lights is so offensive to him? Or about covering women head to toe? Or praying five times a day? I’d think if one was going to speak out about tribal darkness, those would be the things to talk about.


11 posted on 12/04/2007 1:23:11 PM PST by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The ever-despicable Hitchens... barf


12 posted on 12/04/2007 1:24:12 PM PST by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: kingu
Gosh, what does he have to say about Muslim religions then, if the festival of lights is so offensive to him? Or about covering women head to toe? Or praying five times a day? I’d think if one was going to speak out about tribal darkness, those would be the things to talk about.

Actually, Hitchens is one of the few lefties and atheists to display consistency on this topic. He supports the war on terror as a necessary defense of the "enlightenment" west against religious fanaticism.

Unfortunately, even religious conservatives sometimes sound like enlightenment rationalists when they criticize islam.

13 posted on 12/04/2007 1:28:21 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer Par`oh 'el-`avadayv; "Hanimtza' khazeh, 'ish 'asher ruach 'Eloqim bo?")
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Minor details ignored like Antiochus sacrificing pigs in the Temple and setting up a statue of himself as God or somesuch are ignored in Hitchen’s lauding of the wise and noble Greek civilization that Antiochus brought to Israel. Or his slaughter of the Jews that would not eat the pig sacrificed in the Temple by cutting out the Jew’s tongues and scalping them. Ah, noble pagans . . .


14 posted on 12/04/2007 1:31:10 PM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The real Hanukah: A Celebration of the Religious Right by Michael Medved
15 posted on 12/04/2007 1:31:30 PM PST by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: kingu
Actually, Hitchens is well known for tearing Islam to shreds. Read God is not Great to see for yourself.
16 posted on 12/04/2007 1:33:56 PM PST by notfornothing
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To: Zionist Conspirator; notfornothing

I’m glad to hear he is a critic of them; consistency is such a rare thing with leftists.


17 posted on 12/04/2007 1:39:19 PM PST by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Christopher Hitchens is a real joy. He’s one of those atheist types that can’t stand any religion, and is profoundly unhappy that anyone else could. He even did a hit job on Mother Teresa. To paraphrase someone else, ‘There is no god, and his prophet is Christopher Hitchens.”
18 posted on 12/04/2007 1:41:58 PM PST by xJones (A real country has real borders.)
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To: kingu

Hitchens actually does support the War on Terror, but he is anti-religion. He is just as much anti-Christian, anti-Judaism as he is anti-Islamic or anything else beyond his marxist materialism. He is anti-God.


19 posted on 12/04/2007 1:43:14 PM PST by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: Alouette

Thanks for the link! And I finally found the full article.


20 posted on 12/04/2007 1:51:46 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer Par`oh 'el-`avadayv; "Hanimtza' khazeh, 'ish 'asher ruach 'Eloqim bo?")
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