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'I want God to be dead in my works' (says Pullman author of The Golden Compass)
http://allafrica.com/stories/200712030142.html ^ | December 03 2007 | Bronwyn Gerretsen

Posted on 12/04/2007 8:52:33 AM PST by Between the Lines

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To: JamesP81

Ummm, yes, and your welcome.


21 posted on 12/04/2007 9:54:21 AM PST by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Between the Lines

Matt 18:5-6 “Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”


22 posted on 12/04/2007 9:57:35 AM PST by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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To: opus86
Poor sap. Part of me hopes his films do well, because unless his spiritual eyes are opened, that’s as good as it will ever get for him.

We have some confirmed atheists friends, family and associates that I confront much too often. My wife is always reminding me that this is their heaven and that I am turning it into a hell for them. : )

23 posted on 12/04/2007 9:58:56 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: cbkaty
Wannabet he has a conversion prior to death?

I am sure that he would object to our prayers, but prayers up anyways.

24 posted on 12/04/2007 10:02:39 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Rummyfan

You need to see South Park’s two part shows, “Go God Go” and “Go God Go II”. You want to see a world full of athiests, which are ripped on throughout the episodes, and don’t mind some of the coarse language, you’ll get a laugh.

They do a good job of skewering Richard Dawkins here too. I was laughing pretty hard. Even the athiests can’t get along ultimately, as there are several groups who have different answers to their own “Great Question.” You’ll be amazed at what that is.


25 posted on 12/04/2007 10:06:18 AM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Stuff like this is why I'm glad our side wins in the end.

It is a great comfort knowing how the story ends.

26 posted on 12/04/2007 10:09:24 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Badeye
You might appreciate this critique from someone more objective:

Stevenson: Anti-Christian message gets in the way of a good story

But it is of the books and not the movie. The movie is probably less offensive. I do have to wonder though, if the first movie does well, will they get bolder with the anti-christian sentiment in the next two?

27 posted on 12/04/2007 10:16:09 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: chimera

It’s because most athiests aren’t really athiests at all, per the definition of not believing in God. They wholly belive in God, they are just against Him. A better, more descriptive, term would be anti-thiests.

As for agnostics, I claimed to be such for quite a time. Most of all, I was misguided with anger.


28 posted on 12/04/2007 10:28:00 AM PST by kenth
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To: kenth
They wholly belive in God, they are just against Him.

Just like Satan and the fallen angels that serve him. Probably more than anyone else, they know that God exists. But they have chosen to separate themselves from Him.

I was a secular humanist for a time, but that was driven by a combination of despair and egotism. I still struggle with the problems that come of having an outrageously large ego, but have made some progress in keeping that under control, as well as regaining a measure of hope and faith.

29 posted on 12/04/2007 10:37:04 AM PST by chimera
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To: Between the Lines

The onle thing about Hollywood that hasn’t changed is if the first one does well, they’ll follow the exact formula for the next one.

The Lethal Weapon movies are a prime example of this.


30 posted on 12/04/2007 10:45:23 AM PST by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Rummyfan
He's insane. You can trace a direct line from Darwin to Nietzsche to Nazism to genocide on a scale never seen before. If God is Dead then there is no hope for mankind. And show me the tolerant, enlightened, civilization that is / was atheistic.

As for the direct line argument, that is treating history as a causal science. History is more complicated than an easily explained series of causes. There have been many atheistic movements in history. One of the biggest and bloodiest was the French revolution, before Darwin, Nietzsche, and Nazism.

It seems to me that every age has people who want to be atheist. The Middle Ages had its scholars of Aristotle. Some of these were Christian, some only believed in an impersonal divinity, and some were materialist and atheist. Did Aristotle cause them to be that way? I would say no. They only found in their interpretation of Aristotle what they wanted to find.

I would not attribute this latest movie to a direct cause going back to Darwin, or anyone else. The author is simply an atheist, a tendency seen in every age. Let's simply hope this tendency does not become the majority opinion.

31 posted on 12/04/2007 11:08:49 AM PST by stripes1776
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To: Between the Lines
The film is about a 12-year-old girl, Lyra, who hides in a wardrobe.

So it sounds like a parody of Lewis' story The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. But does the Pullman's story have any charm for children other than special effects? I guess the box office will tell.

32 posted on 12/04/2007 11:16:12 AM PST by stripes1776
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To: Badeye

I think it is more correct to say that Truth is power.


33 posted on 12/04/2007 12:15:57 PM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Bainbridge

Yep, and thats where it gets ‘interesting’.

Who’s ‘truth’?


34 posted on 12/04/2007 12:22:45 PM PST by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Badeye

Truth is.
I am not a relativist. Makes no sense.
Words mean things.


35 posted on 12/04/2007 1:17:56 PM PST by Bainbridge
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To: chimera
I mean, if it doesn't exist, why bother?

There is some emotional thing going on with them. If they were operating out of pure reason, it wouldn't make any sense to spend any time trying to 'undermine Christianity'. . .that is, if they truly believed that God does not exist.

36 posted on 12/04/2007 1:33:03 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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37 posted on 12/04/2007 5:44:39 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Between the Lines
"Pullman has also been quoted as saying: "It is my goal to go after Christianity. I want God to be dead in my works. I want to undermine Christianity." "

If this little dude sets out to "kill" God, he'd better pack a big ol' lunch...

38 posted on 12/04/2007 6:46:46 PM PST by redhead (VICTORY FIRST, THEN PEACE)
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To: MEGoody
I think you may be right. They have an emotional investment in “proving” God doesn’t exist by convincing others it is so. I know if I was convinced something didn’t exist, I just wouldn’t spend any time on it, one way or another. I’d just ignore it and go about my business. The fact that these people spend so much of their time trying to tear down the faith of others makes me think that in their heart of hearts, they know there is something to it.
39 posted on 12/05/2007 6:07:48 AM PST by chimera
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To: Between the Lines

Mr. Pullman will be dead in God’s world long before God is dead in his.


40 posted on 12/05/2007 4:40:20 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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