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Posted on 11/25/2007 4:20:14 AM PST by Gamecock
I asked the questions. Rather than admit that the answer is "yes" to both questions, you accuse me of dishonesty.
Why don't you just admit that Mormons believe that there is a Heavenly Mother and that Jesus is the Son of the Heavenly Mother and the Heavenly Father?
Why don't you admit that you believe that Jesus is a product of a untion between the Heavenly Father and the Heavenly Mother>
If you won't admit it, then maybe you should deny it.
Here are some Quotes from some of your Apostles:
“This doctrine that there is a Mother in Heaven was affirmed in plainness by the First Presidency of the Church... they said that 'man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father,' that man is the 'offspring of celestial parentage, 'and that 'all men and women are in the similitude of the universal Father and Mother, and are literally the sons and daughters of Deity” (McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 1979, p. 516).
Milton R. Hunter: “The stupendous truth of the existence of a Heavenly Mother, as well as a Heavenly Father, became established facts in Mormon theology” (The Gospel Through the Ages, 1958, p.98).
“Brother Kimball quoted a saying of Joseph the Prophet, that he would not worship a god who had not a Father; and 1 do not know that he would if he had not a mother, the one would be as absurd as the other.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 286)
But if we have a heavenly Mother as well as a heavenly Father, is it not right that we should worship the Mother of our spirits as well as the Father? No; for the Father of our spirits is at the head of His household, and his wives and children are required to yield the most perfect obedience to their great Head. It is lawful for the children to worship the King of Heaven, but not the 'Queen of heaven.'... we are nowhere taught that Jesus prayed to His heavenly Mother...” (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 159)
Jesus Christ, Lucifer, and all of us were spirit children of God in the pre-mortal world (Mormon Doctrine, p. 278). Jesus is “the First Spirit Child born to God the Father in Preexistence” (Ibid. p.28)
Apostle Bruce McConkie: “The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 129.) This agrees with Joseph F. Smith, sixth prophet of the LDS Church, “Among the spirit children of Elohim, the first-born was and is Jehovah, or Jesus Christ, to whom all others are juniors” (Gospel Doctrine, p. 70).
Need More evidence?
Bah!
NONE of those 'sources' are SCRIPTURE!
--MormonDude(Why can you anti's get it right?? If it AIN'T in our Holy Books; it AIN'T what we believe!!)
Uh... except for the things we do in our temples - that isn't found in ANY of our official writings. I really don't know WHERE we get it from...
***So, why do you believe God sent us to this life?***
I can’t say that I know why you are here. I am here to glorify God and enjoy him.
BTW, I did notice your underlying presumption of pre-existense. It is denied, but I chose to ignore it in answering your question.
Our teachings on that are clear and easy to find, IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK AND LEARN.
I asked the questions. Rather than admit that the answer is “yes” to both questions, you accuse me of dishonesty.
Why don’t you just admit that Mormons believe that there is a Heavenly Mother and that Jesus is the Son of the Heavenly Mother and the Heavenly Father?
Why don’t you admit that you believe that Jesus is a product of a untion between the Heavenly Father and the Heavenly Mother>
If you won’t admit it, then maybe you should deny it.
Here are some Quotes from some of your Apostles:
“This doctrine that there is a Mother in Heaven was affirmed in plainness by the First Presidency of the Church... they said that ‘man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father,’ that man is the ‘offspring of celestial parentage, ‘and that ‘all men and women are in the similitude of the universal Father and Mother, and are literally the sons and daughters of Deity” (McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 1979, p. 516).
Milton R. Hunter: “The stupendous truth of the existence of a Heavenly Mother, as well as a Heavenly Father, became established facts in Mormon theology” (The Gospel Through the Ages, 1958, p.98).
“Brother Kimball quoted a saying of Joseph the Prophet, that he would not worship a god who had not a Father; and 1 do not know that he would if he had not a mother, the one would be as absurd as the other.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 286)
But if we have a heavenly Mother as well as a heavenly Father, is it not right that we should worship the Mother of our spirits as well as the Father? No; for the Father of our spirits is at the head of His household, and his wives and children are required to yield the most perfect obedience to their great Head. It is lawful for the children to worship the King of Heaven, but not the ‘Queen of heaven.’... we are nowhere taught that Jesus prayed to His heavenly Mother...” (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 159)
Jesus Christ, Lucifer, and all of us were spirit children of God in the pre-mortal world (Mormon Doctrine, p. 278). Jesus is “the First Spirit Child born to God the Father in Preexistence” (Ibid. p.28)
Apostle Bruce McConkie: “The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 129.) This agrees with Joseph F. Smith, sixth prophet of the LDS Church, “Among the spirit children of Elohim, the first-born was and is Jehovah, or Jesus Christ, to whom all others are juniors” (Gospel Doctrine, p. 70).
Need More evidence?
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SINCE YOU ALLREADY KNEW THE ANSWER, WHY DID YOU ASK A LEADING QUESTION , INSTEAD OF STATING THE FACTS YOU KNEW.
MOST PEOPLE WHO USE THAT SLIMEBALL TACTACT JUST WANT TO CONTROL AND NOT LEARN.
THIS EVEN PROVES YOU LEFT OUT THE REST OF THE TRUTH ON PURPOSE.
BTW, I did notice your underlying presumption of pre-existense. It is denied, but I chose to ignore it in answering your question.
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No matter whe or how He created us, He sent us here.
Works for faith.
here it is;;;
To: fproy2222
I do not know about all the Christian churches you did not put on the list, and yet, I find that there is a big difference between the teachings of the ones I know. There must be one or more teachings that follow through all of them that makes them proper, even though the rest of the teachings differ. Please tell me what that teaching is. Thank you.
I believe that they all teach that the Earth is round and that it revolves around the Sun. They all teach that George Washington was the First President. They all teach that the Pope is Catholic and that bears _ _ _ _ in the woods.
50 posted on 11/29/2007 6:31:00 AM MST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
Now we know how to find the real church to join, maybe not.
Dang; that's too bad.
I was wishing you could support your claims with your founders words, instead of attacking me.
Oh well.
I was wishing you could support your claims with your founders words, instead of attacking me.
Oh well.
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Another good job of leaving out the important information to pretend the whole is other then what it really is.
Good job of trying of control. Seems like you and the other radical “missionaries to the mormons” use the same tactics. Control, control, control.
Then here is YOUR chance to control.
Show the world what a dastardly deed I've done by leaving out these __________ __ _____ _____ _______ words!
Are you being dishonest or just plain stupid?
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