What Child Is This? The LDS Christmas Story

Word For The Weary ^ | Sharon Lindbloom

[Elyse]

At no time was The Church of Jesus Christ ever Racist and to carry or assume that is so because many of you think with the arm of flesh is not my problem!

I don't know why you are addressing this to me. At no time did I ever even hint that I thought the LDS church was racist. I merely pointed out that you had tried to answer those allegations that other people made.

[Elyse]

Just like today many of you think The Church of Jesus Christ to me racist against theMuslim because you folks measure with the Arm of Flesh, but this the Lord Jesus Christ Church, not some world organization of faith.

Again you accuse me. I never said it - never even thought it. I only asked for someone to instruct me on the beliefs of the Mormon church concerning the circumstances surrounding the birth of Christ. I asked for you to tell me what was false in the subject article and help me understand what you really believe.

I'll go away from this thread totally befuddled at the sidestepping you've done to keep away from the subject of this thread and quell any inquiry made concerning it.

[Elsie]

Are trying to tell on me?

  ‘No! Do or do not…there is no try!’

[Elsie]

"I don’t know that we teach it.

 I don’t know that we emphasize it.

 I haven’t heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse.

 I don’t know.

 I don’t know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it.

 But I don’t know a lot about it and I don’t know that others know a lot about it."

- Mormon Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley,
Time Magazine, August 4, 1997, page 56

[restornu]

I apologized v that I did not read you post completely I am surrounded by heel nippers for months that the legit folks also get caught up in the fray!

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It seems waiting on the Lord or in the Lord own time, only applies to some situtations in the scriptures to those of other faith

Those in the Lord’s Church, his servants had to wait for a revelationf from Him to lift those bridles, but to others it who dispied the Church the situation was used as fodder.

This Video shows the hearts and minds of a people being prepared by the Lord as we witness a Marvelous Work and Wonder.

PIONEERS OF AFRICA
http://www.byu.tv/index.html?start=10800&stop=14400&show=&ep=http://qmplive.xlontech.net/byutv/stream/071128.qvt

[Elsie]

Nothing in there about Noah and Gabriel, or Elohim & Adam, or ...

Of course not. A creed is merely the BASICS of a belief, NOT the fullness of it.

[Elsie]

We’ve learned our lessons well!

[DungeonMaster]

The Old Testament patriarch Noah, who had died long ago and been resurrected as an angel named Gabriel

WHAT!?

[Elsie]

Ok; I’ll just turn the other cheek from now on.

[Elsie]

...never said it was, I was using it as an example of how the author used misdirection by leaving out an important part of our beliefs.

And a VERY 'important part of our belief' is what goes on in your secret sacred Temple Rites®.

We HAVE to leave that out, or you'll be very offended that the world sees the content thereof.

[Elsie]

And all because of theological hangups that have NOTHING to do with being president.

MINDREADING!!!

[Elsie]

Dangerously close to entering the rabbit hole!

[MEGoody]

It is alright to talk about how our beliefs differ from what you think the words in the Bible say

Agreed.

but you have no right to be sloppy in reporting what we believe.

True, the author of this piece should have gotten it right. I just don't think it makes any difference from a broader perspective since neither is biblical.

[Elsie]

I'll go away from this thread totally befuddled at the sidestepping you've done to keep away from the subject of this thread and quell any inquiry made concerning it.

It's like this on most every 'question'.

Spin, slide then ask your own question.

[Elyse]

But, who’s on first?

[Elsie]

It is alright to talk about how our beliefs differ from what you think the words in the Bible say, but you have no right to be sloppy in reporting what we believe.

Yeah....Sure...

 

 

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 
 

THIS is really detailed!!!

Bash and run, by the looks of it.

A great foundation upon which to build.

[Elsie]

But, who’s on first?

First:

 

These references await.....

 

 

 1. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 157

 2. Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 471

 3. Book of Mormon, Mosiah 3:8

 4. Joseph Smith Translation (hereafter JST), Luke 1:28

 5. JST, Luke 1:31-32

 6. Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses (hereafter JD), 2:342

 7. Book of Mormon, 1 Ne. 11:18, 1830 edition, p. 25

 8. O. Pratt, The Seer, Washington D.C. edition, p. 158

 9. Brigham Young, JD, 1:50-51.  Though Young taught the Adam/God doctrine, the LDS Church officially denies it.  It is not currently part of LDS theology.

10. B. Young, JD, 8:115

11. James E. Talmage, Jesus the Christ, p. 81

12. Gordon B. Hinckley, The Ensign, 12/94, p. 4

13. O. Pratt, The Seer, p. 158

14. B. Young, JD, 11:268

15. JST Matthew 1:20

16. Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:18

17. Uniform System for Teaching the Gospel, p. 1-6

18. LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 681, "God."

19. The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 7

20. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 822

21. Book of Mormon, Alma 7:10

22. Talmage, Jesus the Christ, p. 104; see JD 13:127 for Pratt's calculated date of April 11.

23. Victor L. Ludlow, Principles and Practices of the Restored Gospel, p. 43

24. JST Luke 2:7

25. O. Pratt, JD, 18:290

26. What the Mormons Think of Christ, Pamphlet published by the LDS Church, 1976, p. 25

27. O. Pratt, JD, 16:334

28. Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:33

29. Book of Mormon, 3 Nephi 1:19

30. Doctrine & Covenants 129

31. Ezra Taft Benson, quoted by Gordon B. Hinckley, The Ensign, 5/92, p. 89

32. Howard W. Hunter, The Ensign, 2/95, p. 77
33. Gospel Principles, 1988, p. 58. Current LDS teaching suggests the atonement was accomplished in both the Garden and on Calvary.

34. Gordon B. Hinckley, Church News, 7/1/95, p. 4

35. Joseph Smith, History of the Church, 6:408-9
36. What the Mormons Think of Christ, pp. 19-20
37. James E. Faust, The Ensign, 11/95, p. 46
38. LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 608, "Angels."

[Gamecock]

WHAT!?

Evidentially so.

Did you pick up on the fact that God had carnal knowledge of Mary?

[Religion Moderator]

It was not referencing an individual Freeper - it was not “making it personal.”

[Osage Orange]

I am addressing nothing with you until you can give an honest answer to a civil question. Still waiting.

Great. I will hold you to that. See if you can hold to it.

Besides, you specifically asked me what my religion was.

I think I answered that three times. Here's one more time...I am a Christian.