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What Child Is This? The LDS Christmas Story
Word For The Weary ^ | Sharon Lindbloom

Posted on 11/25/2007 4:20:14 AM PST by Gamecock

It was long ago, two thousand years, when sweet baby Jesus was born. Although every baby is cherished by his parents and grandparents and siblings and cousins, this little boy was precious to all the world. The story began in Nazareth…

The Old Testament patriarch Noah, who had died long ago and been resurrected as an angel named Gabriel,1 was sent from God to a city of Galilee, named Nazareth. There he appeared to one of the noblest and greatest of all the spirit offspring of God the Father,2 a young virgin girl whose name--Mary--had been foretold in 124 B.C.3 Mary was betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David.

The angel Gabriel said to Mary, "Hail, you virgin, who are highly favored of the Lord, the Lord is with you: for you are chosen and blessed among women."4 But Mary was troubled and pondered about this salutation. Gabriel told her not to be afraid; she had found favor with God. He said, "Behold, you will conceive and bear a son,5 and shall call his name, in the 'pure language,' Son Ahman.6 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest. And you, Mary, will be the mother of God."7

Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I am a virgin?"

Gabriel answered and said, "The Holy Ghost shall come upon you and sanctify you, and make you holy, and prepare you to endure the presence of 'the Highest.'8 Then shall your Heavenly Father, who was your literal father in the pre-existence, overshadow you. For you know that He is a Holy Man and Adam is His name. He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do. A personage of flesh and bone, He shall beget this Son in the same manner as Cain and Abel and all the other sons and daughters of Adam and Eve were begotten.9 The Christ Child shall be the result of 'natural action'--flesh and blood, begotten of his Father as we were of our fathers.10 A miracle--though not in violation of natural law--the literal offspring of this 'celestial Sireship'11 shall be called the 'Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh.'"12

Mary was concerned because of her betrothal to Joseph. The angel explained, "You and the Father will associate together in the capacity of Husband and Wife; hence, you will be, for at least a time, the lawful wife of God the Father. After He is finished with you, the Father will give you to Joseph. God will be your first husband.13 Then shall it be said, 'The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband.'"14

And Mary said, "Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.

Before Mary and Joseph came together Mary was found to be with child by God the Father. Joseph, not wanting Mary to be disgraced, planned to 'divorce' her quietly. But an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a vision15 and said, "Do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for that which has been conceived in her, while it was not done without the aid of Man, that Man was God!16 And she will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for it is He who will, by his perfect example, show the people how to fulfill the plan of salvation."17 Now all this took place that what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled, saying, "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which translated means, "A God with us."18 The angel said, "Mary will still be called a virgin both before and after she gives birth19 because the Father of her child is immortal."20 Therefore, Joseph did as the angel of the Lord commanded him.

It came about in those days that Caesar Augustus required a census be taken of all the earth and everyone was proceeding to each their own city to register. Joseph and Mary journeyed together to the land of Jerusalem,21 to the city of Bethlehem, in order to fulfill the requirement.

While they were at Jerusalem, on the 6th day of April,22 it was time for Mary's baby to be born. She gave birth to her firstborn son, who had been her elder brother in the pre-existence,23 and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was none to give room for them in the inns.24

Now, this was the second birth of Jesus, for He was already the firstborn spirit child of Heavenly Parents.25 He had attained unto the status of Godhood while yet in the premortal existence.26 Whereas, at the time of His mortal birth Jesus was no longer an infant spirit, it was necessary that His spirit be compressed, or diminished in size, so He could be enclosed in His infant body.27 As a result, Jesus forgot everything about His former life.28 Nevertheless, He was the Son of God and the sign which had been promised came to pass: the sun set in America on the night of Christ's birth, but there was no darkness; it was light as though it was mid-day even until the rising of the sun the next morning.29

But around Jerusalem/Bethlehem it was dark and there were some shepherds out in the fields keeping night watch over their flock. An angel of the Lord appeared to them causing them to be very frightened. The shepherds desired to determine what manner of being this was, therefore they requested he shake hands. For they knew they would feel the flesh and bone of a true angel's hand; if they could not feel it they would know he was the devil posing as an angel of light.30 Thereby detecting that this was a messenger from God, the shepherds allowed the angel to proceed.

And the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you the God of this world.31 He will be called 'the Prince of Peace, who is also the Prince of Glory and the Prince of Eternal Progress.'32 He will atone for the sins of all mankind in the Garden of Gethsemane,33 and through His gift will come resurrection for the dead for all, and a greater and more enlarged opportunity for eternal life for those who will walk in obedience to His commandments.34 And no one will do a greater work than Jesus until the advent of the Prophet Joseph Smith.35 But take care that you not be led astray. For the time will come when much that is believed and taught about the cleansing power of Christ's blood will be such utter nonsense and so palpably false that to believe it will be to lose your salvation. In that day many will believe or pretend to believe that if we confess Christ with our lips and avow that we accept Him as our personal Savior, we will thereby be saved. They will say that His blood, without any other act than mere belief, makes us clean.36 Be not deceived. Each of you will have to work very hard to qualify for your eternal potential."37 Suddenly there appeared a heavenly host of persons who had been resurrected from the dead38 praising God, and saying, "Glory to God in the highest." And it came to pass when the angels had gone away that the shepherds hastily found their way to Mary and Joseph, and the Christ Child as He lay in the manger. When they had seen this, they made known everything which had been revealed to them about the babe. And all who heard it wondered at the things which were told them by the shepherds.

Dear reader, what child is this?

The LDS Christmas Story was gathered and compiled from the teachings of Mormon Church leaders. It speaks of a Father and Son who are not found in the Biblical narrative of Christ's birth. It brings the sad news that our salvation depends upon our own righteousness instead of the perfect righteousness of Jesus. The gift God gave that night, according to the LDS Christmas story, provided resurrection to judgement for all the world and an example to follow in order to make oneself worthy of the highest heaven.

Yet God tells a different story. He says it is impossible for us to be worthy of heaven on our own merit; all have sinned and our righteousness is as filthy rags before Him. But the blessed Gift God gave to us on that marvelous holy night was no less than His Promise fulfilled. Jesus Christ--God incarnate--had come, not to show us the way, but to be the Way. He came to a world dead in sin to give us life eternal. Let all who are alive in Christ echo Mary's song, "My spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior."

Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!

1. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 157 2. Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 471 3. Book of Mormon, Mosiah 3:8 4. Joseph Smith Translation (hereafter JST), Luke 1:28 5. JST, Luke 1:31-32 6. Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses (hereafter JD), 2:342 7. Book of Mormon, 1 Ne. 11:18, 1830 edition, p. 25 8. O. Pratt, The Seer, Washington D.C. edition, p. 158 9. Brigham Young, JD, 1:50-51. Though Young taught the Adam/God doctrine, the LDS Church officially denies it. It is not currently part of LDS theology. 10. B. Young, JD, 8:115 11. James E. Talmage, Jesus the Christ, p. 81 12. Gordon B. Hinckley, The Ensign, 12/94, p. 4 13. O. Pratt, The Seer, p. 158 14. B. Young, JD, 11:268 15. JST Matthew 1:20 16. Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:18 17. Uniform System for Teaching the Gospel, p. 1-6 18. LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 681, "God." 19. The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 7 20. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 822 21. Book of Mormon, Alma 7:10 22. Talmage, Jesus the Christ, p. 104; see JD 13:127 for Pratt's calculated date of April 11. 23. Victor L. Ludlow, Principles and Practices of the Restored Gospel, p. 43 24. JST Luke 2:7 25. O. Pratt, JD, 18:290 26. What the Mormons Think of Christ, Pamphlet published by the LDS Church, 1976, p. 25 27. O. Pratt, JD, 16:334 28. Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:33 29. Book of Mormon, 3 Nephi 1:19 30. Doctrine & Covenants 129 31. Ezra Taft Benson, quoted by Gordon B. Hinckley, The Ensign, 5/92, p. 89 32. Howard W. Hunter, The Ensign, 2/95, p. 77 33. Gospel Principles, 1988, p. 58. Current LDS teaching suggests the atonement was accomplished in both the Garden and on Calvary. 34. Gordon B. Hinckley, Church News, 7/1/95, p. 4 35. Joseph Smith, History of the Church, 6:408-9 36. What the Mormons Think of Christ, pp. 19-20 37. James E. Faust, The Ensign, 11/95, p. 46 38. LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 608, "Angels."


TOPICS: Apologetics; Theology
KEYWORDS: christ; ldschurch; mormon
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To: greyfoxx39
May I just say that that Nativity scene is an abomination?

Fraudulent and despicable.

161 posted on 11/27/2007 7:25:37 AM PST by JRochelle (Thanks to RomneyCare, abortions in MA are at the reduced price of only $50.00!)
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To: greyfoxx39

Bravo Sierra! Again. Your commentary shows its value as it also shows your lack of veracity.


162 posted on 11/27/2007 7:28:00 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Osage Orange

Always. Care to dispove it? Go ahead if you can!


163 posted on 11/27/2007 7:28:55 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: All
I’ve read this whole thread and I find it hard to understand why any of our Mormon posters haven’t taken the article step by step and told us what was wrong with it and what they really believed.

If someone had posted a convoluted article on the beliefs of Lutherans, I’d be taking it sentence by sentence and site scripture references and references to writings of Martin Luther and my church history to explain my church’s true beliefs.

I wouldn't want anyone to walk away from this thread not knowing the truth. But maybe that’s just me, because I’m not ashamed of my true beliefs or afraid for someone else to criticize them.

164 posted on 11/27/2007 8:11:11 AM PST by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Old Mountain man

Keep talking....you are burying yourself.


165 posted on 11/27/2007 8:12:29 AM PST by Osage Orange (molon labe)
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To: Elyse
I’ve read this whole thread and I find it hard to understand why any of our Mormon posters haven’t taken the article step by step and told us what was wrong with it and what they really believed.
"...While certain doctrines are enunciated in the standard works and some doctrinal issues have been addressed in formal pronouncements by the First Presidency, there is nothing in Mormonism comparable to the Westminster Confession of Faith or the Augsberg Confession. Few of the truly distinctive doctrines of Mormonism are discussed in official sources. It is mainly by unofficial means -- Sunday School lessons, seminary, institute, and BYU religion classes, sacrament meeting talks and books by Church officials and others who ultimately speak only for themselves -- that the theology is passed from one generation to the next. Indeed it would seem that a significant part of Mormon theology exists primarily in the minds of the members... the absence of a formal creed means that each generation must produce a new set of gospel expositors to restate and reinterpret the doctrines of Mormonism..."

- Peter Crawley, writing in Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn 1982

KING: You are the prophet, right?
HINCKLEY: Right.
KING: Does that mean that, according to the church canon, the Lord speaks through you?
HINCKLEY: I think he makes his will manifest, yes.
KING: So if you change things, that's done by an edict given to you.
HINCKLEY: Yes, sir.
KING: How do you receive it?
HINCKLEY: Well, various ways. It isn't necessarily a voice heard. Impressions come. [snip]
KING: And that came from something higher than you.
HINCKLEY: I think so.

"I don’t know that we teach it. I don’t know that we emphasize it. I haven’t heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don’t know. I don’t know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it. But I don’t know a lot about it and I don’t know that others know a lot about it."
- Mormon Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley,
Time Magazine, August 4, 1997, page 56

166 posted on 11/27/2007 8:31:35 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: Osage Orange

Mormonism has a living ‘prophet’ and twelve apostles to lead them! Can’t trust that Bible because they’ve been taught to doubt its veracity, to make room in their minds for the manuscripts originating with Joe Smith, peepstone prophet. Of course, these supposedly god-inspired leaders could not tell when someone was misleading them with fraudulent documents, so what does that tell you about the origins of their ‘leadership’?


168 posted on 11/27/2007 8:38:54 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Old Mountain man
So all you can do is make veiled threats and you are even afraid to identify your own church affiliation.

When did I threaten you?

You are too funny.....!! LOL!

Please point that out to me.

Secondly...what does my church affiliation have to do with anything?

169 posted on 11/27/2007 9:09:28 AM PST by Osage Orange (molon labe)
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To: Religion Moderator
Do not accuse another Freeper of promoting lies - that is “making it personal.”

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Please tell me how to respond to those who say something that is untrue and/or miss leading, then use words like “strawman” or the likes to call me a lier, so they do not have to face the correct information.

170 posted on 11/27/2007 10:11:12 AM PST by fproy2222 (If you want to know the truth, study both sides. To the most original source.)
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To: restornu

Yet when reading the History of other faith in the past towards black was reprehensible some even referred to them as beast of the field. I should know when I protestant I was very embarrassed at the pass history.

I am old enough to remember the uncomfortable feeling. It took a few generations to distant themselves from their pass of what their ancestor have done and still lurked in the hearts of many of American in the late 50’s and early 60’s.

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As a member of another faith, I lived what you said about the 50’s and 60’s and blacks. (only then it was the “N” word.)


171 posted on 11/27/2007 10:18:23 AM PST by fproy2222 (If you want to know the truth, study both sides. To the most original source.)
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To: Osage Orange

The founders and prophets of your faith....were by today’s and yesterday’s standards out and out racists.

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Do you mean like when Brother Brigham said that blacks can learn to do things better then there white masters, if only they would be given a chance to be educated.


172 posted on 11/27/2007 10:23:51 AM PST by fproy2222 (If you want to know the truth, study both sides. To the most original source.)
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To: Palladin
So, if Noah became the Angel Gabriel, then Mormons believe in reincarnation.

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If the first statement, or straw man, or deliberately misleading statement, or whatever you want to call the lie, was true, then I would also make the same conclusion.

173 posted on 11/27/2007 10:32:06 AM PST by fproy2222 (If you want to know the truth, study both sides. To the most original source.)
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To: restornu
Legal Trials of the Prophet: Joseph Smith’s Life in Court
http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2006_Legal_Trials_of_Joseph_Smith.html

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Somehow someone is going to say “Apologetics” as if it is a bad word. It is not, as there Apologetics will affirm.

174 posted on 11/27/2007 10:54:47 AM PST by fproy2222 (If you want to know the truth, study both sides. To the most original source.)
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To: fproy2222
Do you mean like when Brother Brigham said that blacks can learn to do things better then there white masters, if only they would be given a chance to be educated.

You know exactly what I was referring to.......

175 posted on 11/27/2007 10:54:57 AM PST by Osage Orange (molon labe)
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To: Elsie; Religion Moderator
(The above is an example of the TarBaby tactic.)

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repeat.

176 posted on 11/27/2007 10:57:14 AM PST by fproy2222 (If you want to know the truth, study both sides. To the most original source.)
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To: restornu
Well I was Presbyterian and I knew it was not true 18 years before I heard of the Book of Mormon!

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I know this will sound like a strawman question and answer, but I really want to find out, and none of these present day Calvinists will answer.

If God has already decided, before I was born, where I am going, after I die, WHY SHOULD I CHANGE WHAT I AM DOING NOW?

177 posted on 11/27/2007 11:06:46 AM PST by fproy2222 (If you want to know the truth, study both sides. To the most original source.)
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To: Osage Orange

“Keep talking....you are burying yourself.”

Looks like you acting the part of coward is burying yourself. Come on out and state your religion like an adult.


178 posted on 11/27/2007 11:08:36 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Palladin; fproy2222
So, if Noah became the Angel Gabriel, then Mormons believe in reincarnation.

Fproy, I LDS teach that Adam is the angel Michael & Noah is the angel, Gabriel.

Since both men were married on earth, and since Jesus saids angels in heaven are not married, what happened to their wives? Are they now divorced?

179 posted on 11/27/2007 11:10:47 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: greyfoxx39; Religion Moderator

I do not know how to reprint the picture , but all I can say is And again!!!!!!!!!!11


180 posted on 11/27/2007 11:12:19 AM PST by fproy2222 (If you want to know the truth, study both sides. To the most original source.)
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