Women priests and their continuing battle

Telegraph ^ | November 12, 2007 | Rebecca Fowler

[GoLightly]

Presumably the Scots Kirk that allowed women to preach starting in the late 40s.

And who did they look to?

[sionnsar]

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[wideawake]

I assume you’ll eventually have a point.

[sionnsar]

Supporters of women priests predicted that the church would be transformed, and pews would overflow.

Funny how the article dodges around that unfulfilled claim.

[GoLightly]

I assume you’ll eventually have a point.

If a model was necessary, it never would have begun. Wouldn't "modern" secular thinking about gender roles explain it better?

[GoLightly]

Funny how the article dodges around that unfulfilled claim.

I noticed that too. Typical of leftist insanity, when something doesn't work the way predicted, it's never that the leftist were wrong, but there just hasn't been enough leftism to produce the desired results yet.

[Does so]

"...I never saw one altar boy at the Mass I attend..."

Unfortunately, there's a stigma associated today that didn't used to be there. :-(

[BelegStrongbow]

arrogantbustard: These are Anglicans ... so their “orders” are invalid anyway ...

wideawake: Indeed - but these are the model that “Womenpriests” look to.

Harsh words, brothers. From what I have learned about the apostolic source of the bishop who conferred my orders upon me, I am persuaded that they are in fact quite apostolic and authentically catholic. Shall we dispute further?

[maryz]

Not in this case — I’ve been in this parish about 5 years, and there have been altar boys right along, just fewer an fewer in recent months. The whole summer there were only girls.

[Peanut Gallery]

Yes, I remember there was an Episcopal parish just down the road, and quite suddenly, they took down the sign and announced they were The Catholic Church of St Mary the Virgin.

Okay, maybe it wasn’t so sudden, but I was in college, away from home, and it seemed to me to happen overnight. Maybe some of today’s exiting parishes could take notes on how SMTV kept their property?

[AnalogReigns]

the single greatest sign of acceptance was the success of The Vicar of Dibley, the comedy series...

I can't say I've seen more than 10 minutes of this trashy series (rebroadcast at odd hours in the USA by PBS, of course) without hearing the prodigiously porcine, pushy-priestess character make some sort of off-color joke, provoking me to switch the channel. What a lovely example of a "woman of God!"

Last year I spoke to a Canon with the C-of-E (living here in America now) who told me he had once supported women's ordination, but now he has changed. The experience in the parishes in England is part of what has changed his mind.

Here's the best quote in the article...and why the sodomites have driven in through the same hole in the wall that the well-meaning (and subjectively "called") women broke open:

But it was never about pragmatism. It was about whether the Church had the authority to make that decision.

[Gman]

Priestettes for Christianettes...

[SaintDismas]

What a coincidence! I’m writing a book of “liberation geometry” entitled Square Circles And Their Continuing Battle.>>>

You are more hilarious than you think. Made my day:)

[NYer]

I recall reading years ago, when the feminists pointed to the number of female doctors in the USSR, that they omitted to mention that as the number of females rose, the number of males in the profession dropped, until it was perceived as a female thing, and almost no males were interested. Seems to be what I'm seeing in my parish with the altar girls: for several months, summer into fall, I never saw one altar boy at the Mass I attend.

Back in the early 70's, as the feminist movement was beggining to take shape, a close friend, an Italian immigrant, made an observation that, at the time (in my youthful naivete), made me laugh. He was a scholar of Classical Civilizations. Pointing to Ancient Greece and Rome, he noted that throughout history, each time women rose to power, they were immediately followed by a rise in the homosexual movement, after which the societies eventually collapsed. Since then, you and I have watched this same phenomenon, not only here but all around the world. I stopped laughing many years ago. May God have mercy on our souls.

[NYer]

Funny how the article dodges around that unfulfilled claim.

That's because they need to save space on Page 1 for the RC WomenPriestesses whose ordinations are not recognized by "their" Church.

The whole thing is sad for those who come to Church on Sunday with the intent to worship our Lord. Prideful arrogance has resulted in a mockery of Christ!

[NYer]

From what I have learned about the apostolic source of the bishop who conferred my orders upon me, I am persuaded that they are in fact quite apostolic and authentically catholic. Shall we dispute further?

I would be interested in hearing the case made for the authenticity of such a claim.

[NYer]

I remember there was an Episcopal parish just down the road, and quite suddenly, they took down the sign and announced they were The Catholic Church of St Mary the Virgin.

Was this in Arlington, TX?

[sionnsar]

Yes, I remember there was an Episcopal parish just down the road, and quite suddenly, they took down the sign and announced they were The Catholic Church of St Mary the Virgin.
Okay, maybe it wasn’t so sudden, but I was in college, away from home, and it seemed to me to happen overnight. Maybe some of today’s exiting parishes could take notes on how SMTV kept their property?

Was this before or after the Dennis Canon (ca. '82?)?

[gogeo]

Supporters of women priests predicted that the church would be transformed, and pews would overflow...

So...how's that working out?

[gogeo]

Last year I spoke to a Canon with the C-of-E (living here in America now) who told me he had once supported women's ordination, but now he has changed. The experience in the parishes in England is part of what has changed his mind...

This should not call merely his conclusions into question, but his method.