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To: Uncle Chip; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; tabsternager; Gamecock; Lee N. Field; Campion
It will be this nation returned from its 2000 year Diaspora.

How one can misinterpret the Bible so badly in the face of all the evidence just amazes me. What you need to twist and turn to deny the obvious.

First of all, this quaint theory that Peter was writing strictly to Jews and that "holy nation" is somehow speaking of events thousands of years in the future is pure fantasy.

It is also contradicted by just reading all of 1 Peter.

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied. (1 Peter 1)

4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 2)

1 The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed: 2 Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly; 3 nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock; 4 and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away. (1 Peter 5)

Peter was an apostle of the church, not earthly Israel. He was called by Jesus Christ to lead the Church, not earthly Israel. He was an elder "of the flock of God" which is the Church, not earthly Israel. He speaks of grace and the gospel, not things which dispensationalists relate to earthly Israel.

"The kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits of it." [Mt 21:43]

What are you saying here? That there are two (or more) sets of the Jewish nation? Is that another item to add to my list of dispensational slice and dice results; two Jewish nations?

This view gets more bizarre all the time.

103 posted on 11/21/2007 7:29:17 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: topcat54

***What are you saying here? That there are two (or more) sets of the Jewish nation? Is that another item to add to my list of dispensational slice and dice results; two Jewish nations?***

Chip’s assertions seem to be that whenever he sees “nation” in his NT it must refer always to a geographic entity composed of a pure blood people. Thus when you noted that we are a royal priesthood and a holy nation, that must refer to the physical local of Israel.

You see, rather than looking at the context for meaning, you presume a fixed definition and read that into the passage. And, even if the passage is using present tense verbs, you always assume that it is a future event.


106 posted on 11/21/2007 7:58:49 AM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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To: topcat54
"The kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits of it." [Mt 21:43] What are you saying here? That there are two (or more) sets of the Jewish nation? Is that another item to add to my list of dispensational slice and dice results; two Jewish nations?

Just one nation -- the one that returns from the Diaspora.

What nation do Preterists think it is????

109 posted on 11/21/2007 8:56:12 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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