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To: JoshM99
"The only resurrection I know of is that given to all the children of God, which is the reunion of the spirit with the mortal tabernacle, turning corruptible into incorruptible. The resurrection as has been pointed out will be either to the resurrection of the damned or the resurrection of the saved, but all are resurrected."
It is apparent the contradictory nature of those two sentences has escape your attention. The Children of God will not be resurrected to damnation, but there will be so many who will be resurrected to damnation. You see, the Children of God have God's spirit in them, the damned do not. That Spirit comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. A saved person living around you is already alive eternally because eternal LIFE dwells in their human spirit as The Holy Spirit of God by His promise. It is God in you both to will and to do of His good please, not you doing 'all that you can do' to earn His Grace. A fool in an earlier post seeking gamesmanship rather than the mind of God (as spoken by His Word) asked why believers in Salvation by Faith alone would behave themselves and not just do anything their flesh lusts for. I trust you understand why a faither in Jesus Christ does not 'just do anything the flesh lusts for.'
700 posted on 11/16/2007 12:42:32 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

The only resurrection I know of is that given to all the children of God, which is the reunion of the spirit with the mortal tabernacle, turning corruptible into incorruptible. The resurrection as has been pointed out will be either to the resurrection of the damned or the resurrection of the saved, but all are resurrected.”
It is apparent the contradictory nature of those two sentences has escape your attention. The Children of God will not be resurrected to damnation, but there will be so many who will be resurrected to damnation. You see, the Children of God have God’s spirit in them, the damned do not. That Spirit comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. A saved person living around you is already alive eternally because eternal LIFE dwells in their human spirit as The Holy Spirit of God by His promise. It is God in you both to will and to do of His good please, not you doing ‘all that you can do’ to earn His Grace. A fool in an earlier post seeking gamesmanship rather than the mind of God (as spoken by His Word) asked why believers in Salvation by Faith alone would behave themselves and not just do anything their flesh lusts for. I trust you understand why a faither in Jesus Christ does not ‘just do anything the flesh lusts for.’

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Thank you for sharing your understanding with me. I appreciate it. I think a confusion we have is who are God’s Elect and who are God’s children? When I refer to God’s children, or the children of God, I speak of all humanity. We are all His children, whether we deserve the resurrection of the damn or the resurrection of the saved. Not all of God’s children will be saved. Those that are saved are often referred to as the elect.

Again, LDS doctrine is not one is saved by works alone. LDS doctrine is emphatic that we are saved through grace as our works will always fall short. Our works determine our reward. If we do good works, God’s grace will grant us a good reward. If we do evil works, then God’s grace will not save us in our sins. This is contrary to God, unless we repent of our sins and avail ourselves of Christ’s atonement, then grace will spare the repentant.

I do understand however that you believe that being born again changes one’s heart and that God fills you so that now that you are saved, you no longer are disposed towards sin. Unfortunately, this is a lifetime probation, meaning one is always buffeted by temptation and sin. There for, we must be ever vigilant against sin. We keep God’s commandments out of love for Him. The problem seen by LDS faithful is that if merely claiming one is born again and grace alone is sufficient to gain eternal life with God, it very much implies that any sin committed after such a declaration by the person is no longer a sin and thus the commandments no longer apply. Thus, grace without effort is insufficient as well. Lastly, why would God grant His grace to one who does not try to do his best as evidenced by his works, even if that person claimed they were born again?


724 posted on 11/16/2007 1:58:55 PM PST by JoshM99
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To: Domandred

placemark. Though I think this thread has just gotten far too large and has pretty much run its course.


733 posted on 11/16/2007 2:17:38 PM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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